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@observeratus @AbbeDutertre @WireCatholic They’ve been affected, agreed. Are the eastern rite bishops all heretics? It’s not proven. Have eastern rite liturgies made into a Protestant Novus Ordo: not all all.

@DadsCoffee1 @AbbeDutertre @WireCatholic vatican.va/archive/hist_c… The Eastern Rites have been affected and some of their liturgies have been changed. They are in the V2 mess.

It is unfortunate that certain theological discussions have not been kept to be amongst clergy, and are ventilated in such unhealthy places as facebook and X. Now that the cat is out of the bag, it seems there is no option but to engage, but to those (specially thesis) clergy, who insist on preaching theories of theology instead of things that are more useful to the general people, one would beg: let's keep those discussions for the clergy, or those members of the laity who approach you with questions. You don't discuss brain surgery in the local market. And yes, I do it too.

@matthew_sede It’s a gratuitous and ambiguous assertion. How is the Vatican II hierarchy even defined? Doesn’t anyone study logic anymore? Is some now all just because it’s asserted as fact?

Fr. Orasch: The Vatican II hierarchy is a fake hierarchy, and its head [Francis] is a Pachamama adorer, Trinity denier, and mother of God insulter!

@TradCathSermons @FrRamolla The popes never willed for such a situation. How does one even argue this? The argument can be boiled down to this, “I say the popes will for this, therefore the popes willed for it.”

@FrRamolla Why can't it be by tacit will of the popes?

Ordinary jurisdiction can be had without a diocese youtube.com/shorts/DtsbYLS…

@TradCathSermons @FrRamolla If your going to use Lainez to support such ideas, you need to provide his words and in context.

@FrRamolla Lianez wrote a book on jurisdiction and talks about it. Did you listen to the Who is Lianez short?

@TradCathSermons Then he needs to show who sent him. Who commissioned him?

Our bishops have the full authority of Christ youtube.com/shorts/jzabh36…

@TradCathSermons @SatisCognitum07 @CathFamPodcast The concern is certainly good, but there is an ambiguity at the root of it, at least from what I’ve been seeing, that confuses bishops in general with Apostolic Successors.

@DadsCoffee1 @SatisCognitum07 @CathFamPodcast A group of clergy and religious were inspired to get very serious about looking at the problems at the head of the Church. Could this not be divine intervention?

Hey folks let's remember that Unam sanctam is about attempting to find unity. Let's cool it with the attacks.... Let it breathe a bit. We are all on the same side. That's the point. We just need a Pope. Pray!

@SatisCognitum07 @CathFamPodcast @TradCathSermons I’ve seen no statements of those pushing this that the IGC will only include Apostolic Successors, and other bishops who are not Apostolic Successors will not be permitted. Until I see that, I remain unconvinced that this will happen.

@DadsCoffee1 @CathFamPodcast @TradCathSermons Ok? So, how certain are you that both of those won’t take place in an IGC, that is fully universal (with all the bishops in attendance)?

@SatisCognitum07 @CathFamPodcast @TradCathSermons We wait for the Successors of the Apostles or for God’s direct intervention.

@DadsCoffee1 @CathFamPodcast @TradCathSermons “An illegal election” and a “fake pope elected” @DadsCoffee1, why so pessimistic? What makes you think we are on that path? And in your opinion how is the Church to conduct a legal election for a true valid Pope to reign again?

@matthew_sede @ZoeKing_1958 A very smart man but wrong on this.

Bishop Guérard des Lauriers on the Una Cum mass: “One sees the true scope of the expression: “una cum”. It does not only mean that, in celebrating the sacrifice of the Mass, one prays for the Church and for the Pope, as for [pro] this private person or such particular intention. “Una cum” co-means, implicitly but NECESSARILY, that in celebrating the Mass, one celebrates IN UNION WITH and UNDER THE DEPENDENCE OF this moral person that the Church and the Pope jointly are; since this moral person has in primis the RIGHT to the fruit of the sacrifice; a RIGHT in primis that alone can metaphysically found the fact of participating BY RIGHT in primis to the act of Christ-Priest who offers this same Sacrifice. From all this is derived the qualification that must be attributed to the “una cum” Traditional Mass.”

@AsTheRain1 @CathFamPodcast @TradCathSermons If it were just talking and it was understood that no action would come out of it, especially an IGC, without the successors of the Apostles as the only attendees, then great, have your private informal meeting to chat. It just doesn’t seem that’s what’s happening here.

@DadsCoffee1 @CathFamPodcast @TradCathSermons The campaign against getting together and talking continues unabated. Best way to resolve a 60 year old crisis is for everyone to NOT TALK TO EACH OTHER.

@observeratus @Dimi7ri Agreed, they should not have to, but that’s the times we are living in. The problematic priests in SSPX are a very tiny number, and are known so fairly easy to avoid. Many chapels have never had a problem, not ever.

@DadsCoffee1 @Dimi7ri Ok, but Catholics should not have to hunt around in societies they somehow trust to be be able to get valid sacraments.

Guys I don’t want to be a sede, but I think I have to.

@observeratus @Dimi7ri The term “good” covers that issue among others.

@DadsCoffee1 @Dimi7ri You mean a SSPX chapel that has not brought in Novus Ordo invalid priests? Or do you not care about that?

@sicutthomass @matthew_sede @FrLavery You can request the sacraments from such priests. They have no mission, but by the request of the laity the may provide the sacraments. This request does not give them a mission. The licit mess of the use of their orders demands completely on the laity.

@matthew_sede @FrLavery But a priest is more than that. If they're just laymen, then we should all stay home alone.

Fr. DeSaye: Novus Ordo priests are invalid. They are not real priests. They can do nothing for you.

@LukeDashjr @TradCathSermons It’s the teaching of the Church. You will find it in Sacred Scripture, the teaching of the Vatican Council and all theologians who wrote on it explain it this way.

@DadsCoffee1 @TradCathSermons Why?

Even if no one has ordinary jurisdiction, we have the power to elect a Head as the Universal Church... youtube.com/shorts/dqF1-94…

@FrLavery @bruferreiracds It will resemble Palma de Troya, as it will be another fake pope, who appoints fake cardinals, and governs a schismatic sect not the Catholic Church. Will it be identical? No. But it will certainly be very similar.

Since I would insult your intelligence if I presumed you can't tell the difference between Palmar and an imperfect general council—at which the entire Catholic Church is represented—can I ask you to contribute more constructively to this discussion instead of taking cheap shots which you know have no basis in reality? Moreover, the only thing that really is comparable to Palmar is the opinion of the Thesis, which, like Palmer, insists that the next pope will come from a fake conclave held by fake cardinals appointed by a fake pope.

Attending Masses celebrated by priests who do not support the unity of the Church and the restoration of the papacy is to say that we agree to be ‘sedevacantists forever’— and we do not agree! We desire that such priests take a clear stand. No one can settle comfortably into a state of sede vacante, precisely when our Mother Church is most in need of help, without striving to come to her aid. The Supreme Pontiff is not an ornament, but the visible principle of unity.

@LukeDashjr @TradCathSermons Incorrect. It’s against the Faith to hold that belief.

@DadsCoffee1 @TradCathSermons There's zero bishops with ordinary jurisdiction alive today. Supplied jurisdiction and epekia are sufficient. Finally, universal peaceful acceptance guarantees the legitimacy no matter the process to get there

@MarkRome17 @MLJHaynes Yet, at the same Rome deals with the schismatic orthodox & Chinese schismatics as brothers, with no precondition to submit to the Pope & cease consecrating new bishops with a mandate.

@MLJHaynes Unless the SSPX makes it clear that they are not going through with the consecrations, there's nothing to talk about. Quit trying to shape the narrative.

SSPX superior Father Pagliarani states that Pope Leo XIV has still not replied to their request to meet prior to consecration date of July 1. Adds Pope Francis met with him very swiftly. He states: I am nonetheless surprised that there has so far been no personal reply or reaction from the Holy Father. Before possibly declaring schismatic a society which counts more than a thousand members, and which serves as a point of reference for hundreds of thousands of faithful throughout the world, it might be desirable to know personally those who are to be judged. The envisaged sanction does not affect only an institution (one which, moreover, does not exist in the eyes of the Holy See), it affects persons, and persons deeply attached to the pope and to the Church. It is perhaps a small detail, but when I asked to meet him at the Vatican, I was granted an audience with him within twenty-four hours, and he was particularly affable.