Fr. Gabriel Lavery

@JonHYork930 Actually, yes, there was English in there.

@FrLavery Notice that not one word of English was spoken. Curious!

Is this your "visible" Church of Christ? I recently finished compiling this 12 minute video of typical "Masses" and liturgical services in the Novus Ordo sect of which Prevost is the head. It's a very small sample of hundreds of similar clips I've saved over the past couple of years. With few exceptions, these clips only include things which are seen on a day-to-day basis in the Novus Ordo. I've taken the clips from many different countries and languages to show that these things are not merely abuses in some part of the world but are a defining characteristic of the entire Novus Ordo sect. You will see not only "priests" but many "bishops" participating in these behaviors. These are not isolated abuses opposed by the "hierarchy," as some Novus Ordo apologists claim. This is normal Novus Ordo behavior fully supported by that sect and its "hierarchy" from the lowest parish "priest" to the "pope." You'll notice the following are pretty standard: 1) Altar girls 2) Women ministers of "communion" and even of blessings and sacramentals (even giving ashes to the "priest"!) 3) Inculturation of pagan practices, secular songs, and dance into the "Mass." 4) Drums, guitars, clapping are ubiquitous. 5) Evident lack of belief in the Real Presence. These clips are nearly indistinguishable from Protestant services aside from the presence of statues of saints in some churches. In fact, it is so hard to tell the difference that it is possible I might have let a clip or two slip through that are from some Protestant denomination despite going to considerable trouble to confirm the source of each video. The plain and simple truth is that the Novus Ordo sect is just another heretical Protestant religion. If you are struggling with accepting the #sedevacante conclusion because you say that would be the end of the visible Church, I ask you to consider what makes the Catholic Church visible? Do "Masses" with drums, altar girls, laywomen ministers and faithless "priest presiders" make a church the visible Church of Christ? In that case, why don't we accept the Lutherans or Anglicans as the visible Church since they have these same things and the same appearance of order and hierarchy as the Novus Ordo does? No. The Catholic Church is visible because she has four visible, i.e. clearly identifiable, marks. Her members and her hierarchy of bishops and priests are recognizable through the outward profession of the same Faith, the same worship, and submission to the same authority, i.e., during a vacancy, the true Popes of the past and willingness to submit to the next true Pope. The mere absence of a Pope for the time being does not make the Church less visible or identifiable. But if she could ever become what you see in this video, she would indeed be visible, but not as Catholic. She would be a defected church. Christ has promised us this could never happen. Christ has promised us that the Novus Ordo is not and never can be the Catholic Church. If you believe the religion seen in this video is Christ's Church just because you can "see" it, then the modernists have succeeded in forming an entirely new idea of Christ's Church in your mind, one which is not the spotless Bride of Christ mentioned by St. Paul.

@GiuseppeSPX @FrLavery It's the organization you instantly recognized by name when I asked, and you unequivocally said I cannot attend on Sundays without knowing anything else about it other than the name of the organization.

@GiuseppeSPX @FrLavery There exists a religious organization, recognizable by the Vatican II religion it practices, the ceremonies it performs, the head it follows. We call it Novus Ordo. Catholics are forbidden to attend. The idea that this org is "legally the Church" is contrary to Mystici Corporis.

No, it's impossible that a church made up of public heretics can be the Catholic Church. Sinners can be in the Church, but, as Pius XII taught, not every sin is so grave as to cut one off from membership in the Church as heresy does. The parables in scripture about the good and the bad in the Church do not refer to public heretics being in the Church, nor do they mean that the Church herself can teach error to her children as the Novus Ordo does.

@FrLavery Yes. I understand that the Sede Church is made up of only the good. If there are any bad in the Sede Church it is because they commit sins against only the 4th through the 10th commandments. In the Sede Church it impossible to commit sins against the first three commandments.

@Sensus_Fidelium, you mentioned in a comment that you weren't "expecting any real arguments" in response to your post. I hope you will now reconsider. While there was never any "real argument" in your own post, I have presented real theological arguments and facts here for you anyway.

@Sensus_Fidelium had two choices here. 1) Actually look up what theologians say about miracles. 2) Remain in willful ignorance and post a "'gotcha." Had he bothered to consult approved theologians, he might have found the following passage from the great anti-modernist theologian, Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange, O.P., in his book on divine revelation, a book which received a letter of praise from Pope Benedict XV: “Finally, St. Thomas does not deny that miracles may perhaps be produced by God in false religions, but if they are true, which would need to be proven, they are never wrought in confirmation of false doctrine. The Holy Doctor says in IIª IIª, q. 178, a. 2, ad 3: ‘Miracles are always true witnesses to the purpose for which they are wrought. Hence wicked men who teach a false doctrine never work true miracles in confirmation of their teaching, although sometimes they may do so in praise of Christ’s name which they invoke, and by the power of the sacraments which they administer.’ “Likewise in De Potentia, q. VI, a. 5, ad 5, St. Thomas, following St. Augustine, relates what is read in the histories: that a certain vestal virgin, as a sign of the preservation of chastity, carried water from the Tiber in a perforated vessel without the water being poured out. Concerning this the Holy Doctor says: ‘It is not unlikely that in commendation of chastity the true God through his good angels worked a miracle of this kind by the retention of the water, because whatever good was in the heathens was from God. If, however, it was the work of the demons, this is not inconsistent with what has been said.’ “Hence, true miracles are always true witnesses to the purpose for which they are wrought, namely, either for the confirmation of revealed doctrine, or as a testimony of sanctity.” (Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange, O.P., De Revelatione, Vol. II, Sect. V, Lib. I, Cap. XIX, Art. IV, § IV ad 6. [p. 97 of the 1950 edition]) It is well known that the liquefaction or not of the blood of St. Januarius is not a testimony to the quality of person who holds it, but is a testimony to the sanctity of St. Januarius and is regarded as a sign of pending favor or punishment from God on the people. The blood liquefies at three specific times each year and has done so for centuries. It did not liquefy "for" Prevost. He simply went during one of those three usual times after the blood had already been liquid for days as usual. Then he picked it up. Nothing to do with Prevost. There is only one instance of the blood liquefying for a Pope outside of the usual times when the miracle occurs, and that was the case of Pope Pius IX in 1848 when he had to flee Rome and went to Naples. It did not liquefy for false popes JP2 (1979) and B16 (2007). In 2015 Bergoglio visited it and someone with him claimed to see the *edges* liquefy and announced that it had "half liquefied" for Francis. Right🙄 I guess, according to the arbitrary principle of @Sensus_Fidelium, we should take this to mean that Pius IX was a true Pope, JP2 and B16 were false popes, and Francis was a "half pope." I think I'll stick with the opinion of St. Thomas, who actually knew what he was talking about, and with what my Catholic Faith teaches me about notorious heretics. Still #sedevacante

@Mwarning515 That's not the Church. That would be impossible.

@FrLavery The Church is visible made up of the good and the bad the wheat and the tares. God promised never to remove His mercy no matter how wicked men behave. He also promised to punish. Church is visible from generation to generation.

@FrLavery I give you the Masonic Temple of "St. John the Evangelist", Rochester, Minnesota in the diocese of Bishop Barron;)

@TLMCMRI Yes. Many Novus Ordo "First Communion" videos have been out this month which are truly sad to watch. They make it simply a photo op while they destroy any sense of the Real Presence in the minds of the children and while they deny them valid sacraments in the first place.

@FrLavery Oh, Father— this is so pathetic— I think the saddest part is seeing the children being raised in this delusional and depraved cult 😥

This is day-to-day Novus Ordo. Truly, if you believe this is the Catholic Church, the modernists have succeeded in destroying in your mind the image of the spotless Bride of Christ. #sedevacante

It's "visible" though, so I guess that's good enough for @Catholicizm1

Wow. That screenshot 😬 The more I read Thesis clergy explain Thesis ideas the clearer it becomes that they have simply made up ideas.

For centuries, Catholics gave their lives in defense of our holy religion and for the Church herself. On repeated occasions, they were unafraid to face the enemies without. This is precisely why we have great saints and martyrs on our altars. Sadly, now that the enemies have infiltrated, instead of fighting them, Catholics have knelt at their feet thanks to the "great" Recognize and Resist position. If we are to enlarge the list of saints and martyrs, we must abandon the insane R&R position. #SedeVacante #FightForTheChurch #WhyLeftSSPX

There is really nothing to debate on that subject. Theologians explain formal apostolicity with the most evident clarity and simplicity. It is only R&R and Thesis supporters who have twisted the subject into something confusing to themselves and everyone else. As I said in my talk on apostolicity a couple of years ago, theologians explain it entirely as a matter of the continuance of the papacy, whether it is currently filled by a living man or vacant. If that office still exists and the means of filling it still exist, then formal apostolicity hasn't gone anywhere and there is no need to look for it in a false church that promulgates heresies and other errors on a daily basis and does everything possible to ruin souls and destroy the faith. The fact that R&R and Novus Ordo apologists do not properly understand formal apostolicity and continually twist and struggle with the clear meaning of theologians does not give them a right to claim that no one has explained to them where the mark of apostolicity is. If I demonstrate to Matt Gaspers that 2 + 3 = 5 and he keeps insisting that I never showed him the right answer because he insists on multiplying 2 and 3 instead of adding them, this doesn't give him the right to tell the world that no one will answer him. It makes him more culpably wrong than someone who never had the truth shown to him.

@fr_geckle I’m looking for a thorough debate on formal apostolicity and the large sede accounts don’t seem to want to discuss it which makes it appear that they concede the argument.

With the way you malign sedes and bash them all the time, why would you even consider this? I thought we were all heretics and schismatics? Make up your mind.

@BigModernism @fr_geckle @DominoFide Because he doesn't respond to arguments. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

@fr_geckle No big name will have a discussion with @DominoFide for more than 3 tweets.

The canonist Matthaeus Conte a Coronata OFM Cap, explains: “If indeed such a situation would happen, he [the Roman Pontiff] would, by divine law, fall from office without any sentence, indeed, without even a declaratory one.” (Institutiones Iuris Canonici [1950] 1:316)

@TaylorRMarshall You should know that version of the so-called prophecy was condemned by Rome under Pope St. Pius X and forbidden to Catholics to read under the penalties of canon law for reading condemned books.

"Has the La Salette Prophecy of Two Worm-Ridden Popes Come True?" Dr Taylor Marshall Podcast

@tommy_lee21175 @BigModernism @stephenheiner Can you elaborate on how you envision this specifically?

@FrLavery @BigModernism @stephenheiner Fr, why can't the jurisdiction of the vacancy be applied to fit the thesis. Regards.

@stephenheiner are you and Bishop Sanborn willing to do a response show to these arguments from Gaspers, Siscoe, & Salza?