@AlphenMatthias@Gato_parodia@Photomusicrock Ah right. I didn’t realise you meant if it’s loud it’s heavy metal I was thinking more the musical style. I’d agree Hendrix created Heavy Metal
Once again, no it is not. The Beatles are a pop band with a couple of outliers.
A full year before "Helter Skelter" was written, Jimi Hendrix recorded a cover of "Wild Thing" that was just as "loud" as "Helter Skelter".
The attached video of his performance at Monterey proves it.
If anything, Paul McCartney was influenced by Jimi Hendrix and other heavier acts such as Cream to write "Helter Skelter".
youtu.be/xVN8_7wVSG0?si…
@AlphenMatthias@Gato_parodia@Photomusicrock Yeah I’ve read that book too. But as you say my point is proven, no gymnasts needed, in the lineature of modern music Helter Skelter is the 1st heavy metal song and has wide reaching influence. To suggest Sabbath werent influenced by the Beatles feels a little disingenuous
Darryl, you really are making using some desperate mental gymnastics here, in a vain attempt to prove a point that has already been proved. Yes, Ozzy loved The Beatles but The Beatles music is not overwhelmingly found in Black Sabbath's sound.
Sabbath was primarily inspired by heavy blues-rock bands like Cream, Jimi Hendrix, and Blue Cheer, combined with a fascination for horror films, occult literature, and industrial working-class life Birmingham, England. Their sound was further shaped by jazz-influenced drumming, gypsy-jazz guitarist Django Reinhardt, and a desire to make blues music significantly darker and heavier.
Ozzy is also not the founder of Black Sabbath or their signature sound. Guitarist, Tony Iommi is largely responsible for Sabbath's unique music. Following the break-up of his previous band, Mythology, in 1968. Tony Iommi and drummer Bill Ward sought to form a heavy blues rock band and later enlisted bassist Geezer Butler and vocalist Ozzy Osbourne, who had played together in a band called Rare Breed.
I'll repeat it again, "Helter Skelter" is not Heavy Metal and The Beatles did NOT invent that genre.
@AlphenMatthias@Gato_parodia@Photomusicrock It’s a point you can argue but music history is quiet straight forward, who released what and when. The influence can be clearly seen. Ozzy has been quoted to say without The Beatles there’d be no Sabbath. Therefore The Beatles created Heavy Metal via Helter Skelter
History often gets told as the story of heroes: singular figures who step onto the stage and change everything. We hear it in politics, in science, in sports, and especially in music. Elvis “invented” rock and roll. Dylan “gave rock poetry.” The Beatles “created modern pop.” These narratives are comforting, because they give us neat turning points and recognizable faces. But history rarely works that way.
Music, in particular, evolves like a river system. Countless streams flow together, merge, diverge, and reform. A new technology accelerates one current, a social movement redirects another. By the time we look back, we see one powerful river and assume a single source, but the reality is dozens of tributaries feeding it.
The idea that the Beatles were the irreplaceable source of modern music ignores how inevitable that river already was. The forces shaping popular music in the mid-20th century were bigger than any one band.
No, they didn’t.
It’s 2026 not 1966, we live in a musical world defined by hip-hop, electronic music, global pop, and digital distribution. The DNA of these sounds runs back through decades of history, but it does not run exclusively through the Beatles. Remove them from the timeline, and the broad contours of today’s musical landscape remain intact. The Beatles surfed the wave brilliantly, but they did not create it. And without them, we still would have made it here.
@AlphenMatthias@Photomusicrock Wrong. The Beatles created every form of modern music. And yeah it’s not a roller coaster it’s a slide. THE BEST SLIDE YOU WILL EVER RIDE
“Helter Skelter” is not the first Heavy Metal song.
A song written about a roller coaster ride is not a Heavy Metal theme and neither was The Beatles hippie image.
Jimi Hendrix was already releasing equally as heavy songs a full year before “Helter Skelter”.
While "Helter Skelter" has some loud elements, it doesn't fully embody all the characteristics that define the genre, such as the specific guitar tones, vocal styles, and lyrical themes that emerged later.
Black Sabbath's self-titled debut album is the start of heavy metal.
There are only seven cities in England: London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Sheffield, Leeds and Newcastle. The other pretenders are just big towns.
Anyone claiming to hate The Beatles always turns out to be the worst kind of performative "look at me, look at me!" obtuse contrarian arsehole, and I've yet to see an exception.
@DarrylGlass15 Yeah Highway 61 is great, just a couple of songs that don't quite hit for me, but I'm still very new to Bob Dylan so it's all a big learning curve. And a very fun one too.
It's not a turnaround on the scale of Dark Side Of The Moon, but I do believe my ears needed cleaning when I didn't enjoy Blood On The Tracks on first listen.
It's definitely the most consistent Bob Dylan record I've heard, and that base level is much higher than I realised.
That was as bad as the spurs game and it seems both pep tactically and the players delivering the performance have a performance like that in them a few times this season.
Could’ve played all day and not scored there. Shite.