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@MesoAnglic People need to get their heads around the fact that China is basically running the Eastern European formula at continental scale, population decline + ~3–4% GDP growth. China is growing about as fast per person as India or Indonesia, and not that far behind Vietnam.
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The TFR/demographic debate in general and specifically around China is extremely stupid, unproductive, and both sides of the argument do nothing but talk over each other and temporarily turn off their brain
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@devarbol That's depressing. Do u think it's just case of politics and after non-monke takes power Russia starts converge with Portugal/Polans tier? Or is it like structurally too fked up for that?
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@devarbol So basically this magical Russian pivot to Asia (it even has a website...) and Vladivostok relevant is fake?
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@n30n5223434 I just saw a xeet about nostalgia for 1980 Algeria (literacy ~40% and life expectancy was 54.) They can't process that their parents and grandparents were living like a present day Ethiopian until very recently
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@n30n5223434 A lot of these types are incredibly ignorant about development economics (my theory is proximity to Europe warps expectations) and live in total denial about how fast their societies actually developed in the latter 20thC and where they began from
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@devarbol Is the trade actually growing overall or is it fake and gay? Compared to like ASEAN trade growth
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@akarlin They aren't rightoids. They're fine with Southeast Asian immigrants.
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Anatoly Karlin 🧲💯
There's now a lot of anti-Indian racism in Taiwan. Taiwanese nationalists are making a terrible mistake throwing in their lot with the Rightoid International. They need to remember the old saying: "Those who bless India will be blessed. Those who curse India will be cursed."
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@BirthGauge Similar to how high fertility subcultures can raise surrounding birthrates through social diffusion, I wonder if universal low fertility lock societies into a trap where childlessness and tiny families become the unquestioned norm, which crushes natalist revival attempts
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Birth Gauge@BirthGauge·
In order to reach replacement level, we need to have three-child-families to be just as common as two-child-families. At the moment, the world is moving in the opposite direction: It‘s either two or none.
Jesús Fernández-Villaverde@JesusFerna7026

Let me lay out the unpleasant arithmetic of the replacement rate, and why a modern society finds it so hard to reach. A population of 100 women in an advanced economy needs 210 children to replace itself. Why? Absent sex-selective practices, roughly 105 boys are born for every 100 girls. Evolution overshoots male births because boys are more prone to early death from accidents and disease. Therefore, of 210 children, about 108 are boys and 102 are girls. Not all girls reach the midpoint of their fertile age: accidents, suicide, homicide, and illness take some. In an advanced economy, about 98% of them survive, leaving 100 women to replace the original 100. Now consider the distribution of children per woman. Imagine 15 women have no children. Five do so by choice, for various reasons (professional, affective, religious). Ten face unfixable fertility problems, theirs or their partner’s. The 10% figure is conservative: the medical literature points to around 13%, and that does not even count male fertility problems. Of the remaining 85, 10 have one child, 60 have two, 10 have three, and 5 have four. I am stopping at four to keep the post concise; very few women in younger cohorts have five or more children, but I could adapt the example to account for them. Hence, the 100 women in this population have 180 children, for a completed fertility rate of 1.8. Interestingly, this is roughly the rate we saw in many advanced economies until the early 1990s, and in the U.S. until around 2008. But we are still 30 children short of replacement! Voluntary childlessness is only 5%. Three-quarters of women have two or more children. Look around: most of your friends will have two, plenty will have three or four. And yet, we are well below replacement. You would not look at this population and call it selfish (is having two kids hedonistic?) or accuse it of losing family values (only 5% of women are choosing voluntarily not to have children). The point is simpler. To reach 210 births, you need a substantial share of women to have three or more children. Two as the “normal” pattern will not get you there. And modern society makes three or more a costly proposition for most families. Of course, current fertility rates in most advanced economies are well below 1.8. But my point is that, under present social arrangements, we should not expect 2.1, even if (to humor last weekend’s debate) we banned smartphones and TikTok. We need many, many more families with three or four children. More pointedly, there is no self-regulating mechanism that pushes a society back to 2.1. The market-clearing analogy many economists use is flawed; scarcity feedback does not work the same way. (Another post on this another day.) And, as I often read, the claim that “nature” somehow regulates current overpopulation is just childish mumbo jumbo. So yes, the arithmetic of replacement rate is unpleasant.

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@n30n5223434 @arcticinstincts Ethiopia is the Ethiopia from the bible. The biblical and classical references to Ethiopia/Ethiopians referred to Nubia and what is now Sudan, rather than where the modern Ethiopian state. The term was geographically broader and shifted over time.
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@arcticinstincts The US destroyed Japan's economy with the Plaza Accord
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David Sun@arcticinstincts·
What historical fact sounds true but is fake?
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@MesoAnglic It's Japan mixed with the Soviet Union
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@Empty_America It's more an American than European phenomenon. The US still has ~200k births a year to women having their 5th child or more, and the numbers risen for decades. That provides a floor Rule of law is the key. You need a system confident enough to leave groups like Amish alone.
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@n30n5223434 I don't think they'd believe how retarded things got. Imagine walking up to someone here and saying in 40 years there'd be WW1 style trench warfare between them and Russia
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Similarly, a Soviet citizen in 1985 wouldn't be able to comprehend the year 2005. It'd be completely alien to them.
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Auctor@n30n5223434·
No country is capable of "thinking in centuries", I used to hear this about actual conspiracy theories like the Illuminati. At most, 5 years. Every 20 years, the world significantly changes. Europeans in 1905 would not be able to comprehend Europe in 1925, to give an example.
New Liberals 🇺🇦🇹🇼🌐@CNLiberalism

The Chinese will look at you with a straight face and say “we think in centuries” as they plunge into a demographic crisis caused by one-child policy

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@devarbol As in they want to decolonize it or they want to free Russians from Putin
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@Divideetimpera5 @BirthGauge China already had a family planning program before the OCP. TFR wasn't extraordinary high, it was similar to 1960 US
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Divide et impera@Divideetimpera5·
@BirthGauge This policy is also largely responsible for the Chinese economic miracle and for lifting millions out of poverty. When your population grows chaotically and senselessly, as it does in Pakistan, your country is doomed to endless poverty
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@Empty_America I'd say Niger. Afghanistan was always kind of known (it had ~7m even in the 50s), and being inbetween the USSR and Iran. Niger was ~2.5M and entirely rural. Basically nobody would have known about it, and it now has about the same amount of births as Russia
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Also consider that Afghanistan will need to either conquer territory or export A LOT of population within our lifetimes. Iran is a logical target in both cases, due to it's collapsed TFR. Afganistan is possibly the most interesting country on earth.
Annatar@Annatar_I

It’s telling how in every map of the world on indicators related to aspects of liberalism, Afghanistan stands out, Revolt Against the Modern World as Evola would say. Afghanistan is the test case to watch to see how fast its TFR falls.

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arctotherium@arctotherium42·
Apparently, there was a Dungan (Chinese Muslim, notable for being perhaps the highest TFR Chinese population anywhere) vs Kazakh race riot/pogrom (the Kazakhs won) in Kazakhstan in 2020.
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@akarlin Could you link any blogs or articles on what you expect from AI in the near future?
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@SashoTodorov1 @devarbol Someone brought up a point on how Dems since the 1950s have lost every election when unemployment was below 5%, since people feel flush enough to think about culture war stuff and it blew my mind. You get electorally punished for good management.
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Sasho Todorov@SashoTodorov1·
@devarbol Thank Christ Trump II has been a disaster, because the lower middle class was likely to never forgive the Democrats for taking their cheap gig slaves away.
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