David Banner
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y'all are just like the radical queers who expected every other lgbtq person to give up on fighting for the basic civil right of access to legal marriage in the name of abolishing marriage
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really can't be clear enough that criticizing the smug dismissal of virtually all second wave feminist legal reforms as "carceral feminism" is not the same as claiming that the prison-industrial-complex is good or will ever end sexual violence
celia. ☁️ ☭@PastCassandra
if the purpose of a system is what it does then we must assume that the purpose of prison is not to punish sexual violence
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honestly though don't know why i expect libertarians to be capable of nuanced critical thinking 🙄
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That doesn't seem incoherent or hypocritical at all. Are you stupid?
trandrea dworkin, dangerous misandrist@madtranny
just really love watching women who grew up with the privilege of things like anti-sexual harassment law and the criminalization of marital rape turn around and shit on the second wave feminists who fought for and won those things as "carceral"
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@madtranny Trans women by and large don’t. In fact, “trapping” is a legal defense for assaulting or murdering a trans woman in most parts of the world.
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cool! still glad you have access to sexual harassment law!
celia. ☁️ ☭@PastCassandra
the list of ppl that macKKKilling fights for: -Zionists -Israeli govt -middle class women -lawyers
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sex trade abolitionists been trying to convince people that sex trade expansionism is incompatible with rigorous enforcement of sexual harassment law and then they just come out and say it
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@MissLoreleiLee @hbolton @yvesandthemoon catherine mackinnon played a huge role in winning trans women the legal right to be placed in women's prisons instead of men's prisons, but please do tell me more about what an evil bitch she is
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Death penalty for child sex predators.
Rep. Nancy Mace@RepNancyMace
If you rape a child, you don't deserve a second chance, you deserve the death penalty.
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@SexIndustryResC haha ty, i appreciate your work as well!
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"sexual harassment law is bad actually"
lmao thanks for proving my point
Lorelei Lee@MissLoreleiLee
@hbolton @yvesandthemoon Not to mention the idea they even necessarily "fought for us." MacKinnon was not exactly fighting for SW when she invented sexual harassment law
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like "kill transphobes" is right there! you really do not have to single out women!! as much as transphobic women suck, they are not the primary source of transphobic violence!!!
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i hate "kill terfs" memes not because i don't loath terfs but because it implicitly singles out transphobic *women* as somehow uniquely deserving of violence
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@yvesandthemoon me criticizing the way critiques of "carceral feminism" often unfairly flatten and smear the work of feminist legal reformers is not in fact the same as supporting the prison-industrial-complex.
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literally every dv worker i've ever met espoused politics that could be considered "carceral feminism" AND recognized that mandatory arrest laws were a terrible mistake
Helen Bolton 🖤@hbolton
@MissLoreleiLee @yvesandthemoon Yes I think the women incarcerated for defending themselves from their abusers might disagree that things like the mandatory arrest laws that helped put them in prison work on their behalf
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@yvesandthemoon ok? they represent a small minority of both those groups. their politics are fringe among dv workers and survivors.
and tbc, i am sympathize with those politics, however annoying and at times sexist and anti-survivor as i sometimes find them.
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@cogito_yuri yeah but i think that's a problem, because it implicitly links feminism and transphobia in a lot of people's heads
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@madtranny O problema é que a prisão não existe para proteger as mulheres. Eu não quero abolir a prisão enquanto espaço. Eu quero uma prisão que de fato sirva para isolar assassinos e estupradores da sociedade. Enquanto isso, eu vou apoiar todas as medidas possíveis para proteger +
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again this is literally no different than when some radical queers got angry at other lgbtq people for fighting for marriage equality, because that "legitimates a system which was created to enact gender based violence" and "preserves power in the system"
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like i'm sorry but your desire to discursively "de-legitimize" some institution is not in fact more important than marginalized people's civil rights
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and ultimately i don't really give a shit about some abstract "legitimization" of either of these institutions, i'm a little too preoccupied with the real material consequences of being denied access to either
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