Talking FACTS Carter

Drake has the strongest numbers, reach, and replay value. Eminem and Nas have undeniable cases based on lyricism. Jay-Z and Kanye built enormous legacies, and Kendrick has the awards and critical recognition. But Wayne’s case covers almost everything: albums, mixtapes, freestyles, features, punchlines, influence, longevity, and an entire generation of rappers who borrowed from his style. Then he helped build Young Money and introduced Drake and Nicki Minaj to the mainstream. Drake may be the biggest rapper on this list, but Lil Wayne is still my King of Rap. His fingerprints are all over the era that came after him. 👑

Which this artists will you crown the KING of Rap?

@shiestynurse MAGA: Move Any Goalpost Available—because apparently a 0.17% photo finish becomes a landslide whenever Kendrick needs a win.

yall scraping for a win lol its sad!

If Kendrick supposedly beat all the aura out of Drake, then somebody explain Ultra Instinct Drake. He came back calmer, stronger, and started moving through the charts like the attacks couldn’t even touch him. Everyone thought he was down. Turns out he wasn’t finished—he was transforming.

Kendrick beat all aura out of Drake

I agree, and that’s why I left it alone too. I had a response ready, read it a couple of times, and decided not to post it. When he said Not Like Us was about me too, I took that personally. Maybe he only meant I was outside his definition of the culture, but that song also carries a pedophile accusation. I can handle disagreement, sarcasm and a few jabs, but there are levels to what you put on another person’s name. I’m not going back and forth over language that sounds like I’m being called something I’m not. Maybe that wasn’t his intention, but that’s how it hit me. So instead of responding while angry, I walked away. You were right. The conversation had become stale and wasn’t worth it. The funny part is, he seemed cool and respectful even though we disagreed. But sometimes being the better person means leaving it alone. I can admit when I’m wrong, which is why I double-checked his claims in the first place. In my personal opinion if it creates division I don't agree with it. And I see division in hip-hop over a beef about nothing but behind it closed doors I see corruption making money and benefiting from our divide.

@CarlisleKR @DeWayneCarter72 @scrufacejean This conversation is getting stale. How you interpret the genre is your business. Have a good day.

There was a moment yall was treating Adin Ross and Asmondgold as hip hop media and I ain’t gona forget that.

Calling someone a bitch or a cop shill is an insult or opinion. Calling a named person a pedophile is a specific accusation of serious criminal conduct. Those are not remotely equal. And the sales argument is weak. Harm is not measured only by record sales. Reputation, business value, safety and harassment matter too. The judge ruled that the rap-battle context made the accusation nonactionable opinion. The judge did not rule that it was true, harmless or incapable of causing consequences.

@StoicOla52 @DeWayneCarter72 @scrufacejean You wanna see court cases for calling someone a bitch? Or a corp shill? Because they have proof it ruined their sales? Art has always been protected even if it names people. To even try suing, knowing the potential impact showed everyone who he was more than ANY diss track.

@StoicOla52 @CarlisleKR @scrufacejean I love the way you break it down. I still write like I'm in college 🙃 good job explaining things

@CarlisleKR @DeWayneCarter72 @scrufacejean When does it become a slippery slope for defamation, like accusing someone to be a paedophile and your fans continuing to spread such a rumour? It just seems like people want to say whatever they want while being absolved of the consequences.

@CarlisleKR @DeWayneCarter72 @scrufacejean Again, you're stuck in rigid dogma. Rap lyrics has been used in several court cases; only recently have laws been introduced to limit, not restrict, the use of rap as evidence. I imagine you wouldn't like to be called a paedophile while thousands of people harass you for it.

@CarlisleKR @StoicOla52 @scrufacejean You took time out of my life to explain that to you. Lol that was a long post. I hope that helps you understand

@StoicOla52 @DeWayneCarter72 @scrufacejean It's a slippery slope cause once you start policing rhymes and battle lyrics you kill the freedom of the music. Black people built an artform that provides freedom to say what they want without intervention. If every lyric requires a "burden of proof" Public Enemy wouldn't exist

Your slipperyslope argument is a straw man. No one said every boast insult metaphor political statement or battle lyric must come with evidence attached. Nobody is proposing courtroom approval before a rapper releases music. The dispute concerned an accusation of criminal sexual behavior aimed at a real, identifiable person, followed by UMG allegedly publishing, promoting and monetizing that accusation on a massive scale. You keep comparing this lawsuit to the movement against using rap lyrics in criminal cases, but those are two completely different legal issues that point in opposite directions. That movement concerns prosecutors using an artists own creative lyrics as supposed evidence that the artist committed a crime. Drake was not asking prosecutors to use Kendricks lyrics to convict Kendrick of anything. He did not sue Kendrick or ask the government to punish him for making music. He sued UMG over the companys role in publishing and promoting accusations about him. One situation is the government using an artists art against the artist. The other is an artist using the courts against a powerful corporation. You saw the word lyrics in both situations and pretended they were the same thing. They are not remotely the same. Then you brought up Public Enemy, which makes your argument even more contradictory. Public Enemy challenged institutional power. Drake’s complaint framed UMG as the powerful institution controlling, distributing promoting and profiting from the record. So your position is apparently Fight the Power, unless Drake is the one fighting corporate power. Then he is weak for using the legal system. Make that make sense. And the slippery slope did not begin when Drake filed a lawsuit. It began when one of the most destructive accusations that can be made against a man became a popular hook that millions of people repeated as though it had been proven. How would you feel if someone accused you of being a pedophile put it over a beat and the entire world started singing it? How would you feel when strangers repeated it, your family heard it, your children had to live with it, and the accusation followed your name permanently? Would you still call it harmless artistic freedom, or would you suddenly understand why facts matter? People can say whatever the hell they want. But freedom of expression does not mean freedom from being challenged, answered or taken to court. The person making the accusation has rights, and the person being accused has rights too. Your version of freedom gives the accuser unlimited protection while demanding that the accused remain silent to prove he is tough enough for hip-hop. That is not freedom. That is rigid dogma. And the judge dismissed the case because the statements were treated as nonactionable opinion within the context of a rap battle. That decision alone destroys your dramatic PREDICTION. No new law was created requiring rappers to prove every lyric. Public Enemy did not disappear. Battle rap was not outlawed. Hip-hop survived. The court examined the case under existing law and ruled on it. You are confusing the government using an artist’s lyrics to prosecute the artist with an artist suing a corporation over what it published and promoted. Those are not the same legal issue. They move in opposite directions. You keep name-dropping Black history, Public Enemy and the fight to protect rap lyrics because the actual facts do not support your comparison. That is not defending hip-hop. That is hiding a weak argument behind the culture. I appreciate you keeping the conversation respectful, and I hope I was not disrespectful either. You're definitely smarter than most. And that's class. At this point, it feels like you just want to feel right because your mind is already made up. Just admit that this is your opinion. You are entitled to it. And I'm fine with it. But we can not dress bullshit up as history, law or protection of hip-hop and spread it to the public like it is fact.

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He looks like he should be doing 25 to life.

Nicki Minaj and Cardi B. Not just one song either. Give us several collaborations and let both of them go crazy. The chemistry, competition, personalities, and fan bases would make it one of the biggest moments women’s rap has ever seen. The division has lasted long enough. Let the music win.

Every female artist has a dream collaboration. Who would you link with if you could choose anyone.

We cannot honestly say Kendrick feels no guilt because we do not know what he feels privately. But we can judge his actions. He accused Drake of being a pedophile in a record heard around the world, while Drake denied the allegation and no public evidence established it as true. The judge later dismissed Drake’s defamation case because the statement was considered opinion or hyperbole within a heated rap battle, not because a court determined the accusation was true. That creates a contradiction. Kendrick wants people to understand that wealth does not erase emotional suffering, yet he helped turn one of the most damaging accusations imaginable into entertainment against another person. Depression deserves compassion, but compassion cannot operate in only one direction. So yes, take mental health seriously. But fame does not erase responsibility either. You cannot ask the world to recognize your pain while treating somebody else’s life and reputation like collateral damage in a rap battle.

Man SYBAU 1. YOU can do those things and still help your people. The reason you don't I'd because you like to keep this fake deep woke persona to your dumb KBOTS fans. 2. Top is giving you the allowance, why did you move to New York? Why don't you live in LA permanently?

I agree. People can dislike Drake and criticize his music all they want, but stop pretending what he did after that battle was normal. He had one of the ugliest accusations possible repeated around the world without anyone producing evidence. If he denied it, they called him defensive. If he stayed silent, they would have called that guilt. When he took legal action, they mocked him for fighting back. At that point, they were not evaluating evidence. They had already chosen the conclusion and were changing the reasoning to protect it. Drake could have disappeared, hidden from the public and allowed that moment to define the rest of his career. Instead, he stayed visible, kept creating, continued accomplishing things and picked himself back up in front of the same world that was celebrating his downfall. You do not have to like him to acknowledge resilience. Most people talking tough online would not survive one week of that pressure, much less rebuild publicly under it. Whether people like it or not, he did it. They predicted the end, celebrated the funeral, and then had to watch the man walk back into the building. Welcome to MAGA: M Motherfuckers A Against G Giving A Acknowledgment. When hatred becomes stronger than honesty, even the obvious starts looking invisible.

Everything Drake has done post this beef has been top tier.. the crisis aversion of being perennially labeled a pdf, the bold steps he took to clear his name in courts, the choice to remain visible instead of slinking into oblivion out of timorousness.. real king shit 🐐

I’m picking Eminem or Jay-Z because I know their albums would reach me naturally. I’d hear people playing them, discussing them and telling me which songs I need to check out. I’ve never gotten that same energy in real life from Kendrick or André 3000. This isn’t just about who can rap. It’s about whose release would actually feel like an event around me.

If you could pick only one of these rappers to drop an album next week, who would it be? 🤔 👤 Kendrick Lamar 👤 JAŸ-Z 👤 Eminem 👤 André 3000

Exactly. Radio used to be the gatekeeper. Drake showed up with his own keys, brought the crowd with him, and put six songs on the chart without asking the DJ for permission. Janice sitting at #12 with light radio play means listeners created the demand first. If radio jumps on later, it won’t be starting the wave. It’ll be running down the beach after the tsunami already hit.

🧵: Drake’s Ice Man proves you don’t need radio to dominate charts 🧊📊 1/ People keep saying radio is needed to chart high on the Billboard Hot 100… but Ice Man is literally proving otherwise in real time. 2/ Drake currently has 6 songs charting from Ice Man — and that’s with low radio airplay. 3/ “Janice” sitting at #12 shows the power of streaming + fan demand. That’s not radio carrying it—that’s people actively playing the song. 4/ This is the modern formula: Streaming = immediate impact Fan engagement = multiple songs charting Radio = optional boost (not required) 5/ Back then, radio decided hits. If stations didn’t play you, you weren’t charting high. 6/ Now? Drake can drop an album and flood the charts instantly because listeners control the outcome. 7/ Album cuts charting proves something important: These aren’t even all “official singles”… yet they’re still landing on the Hot 100. 8/ That means people aren’t being told what to listen to (radio)… they’re choosing what to play. 9/ And when a song like “Janice” is already top 15 without heavy radio, it still has room to grow if radio eventually picks it up. 10/ That’s the scary part: If radio support comes later, it can push songs even higher or keep them charting longer. 11/ So instead of radio creating the hit, it’s now: Fans create the hit → radio follows behind it 12/ Ice Man is a perfect example of this shift. Drake doesn’t need radio to enter the charts… he uses it to extend dominance. 🧊

I’m going with Birdman, and the reason is the talent tree he helped build. Birdman helped turn Lil Wayne from a teenage Cash Money artist into a superstar and label boss. Wayne then built Young Money under the Cash Money system, which brought us Drake, Nicki Minaj and Tyga. That is multiple generations of major artists coming from the same executive structure. Jay-Z has the stronger overall business resume and has been connected to major careers, but Birdman’s label system produced Wayne, Drake and Nicki, three artists who each dominated different lanes and eras of hip-hop. I would only change one part: I wouldn’t say Birdman’s artists necessarily ended up better off financially because Cash Money had several public contract and payment disputes. Jay-Z built the bigger business empire. Birdman built the stronger rap dynasty. That’s why Birdman gets my vote.

Jay-Z vs Birdman Who was the better music executive? Who's your pick ?

@UGOOOTWEETS Bro, Kendrick even laughing at you!

I told someone that Drake started botting way before other artists started doing it. Let me do 1m first week and set a record. Damn just hit 10m sales and making Kendrick the 3rd rapper to have more than 1 album hit that milestone 😂