Demographic Renaissance

@InfoAtJames @sloping_ape_53 @amyoder Yes... I think a lot of the single family splinters and children fluctuate btw the different groups at least. But a few of them will have basically no one to marry if they keep splintering (which I suppose resolves the issue in a way). Anyway, they need to figure that out.

@DemographicR @sloping_ape_53 @amyoder So they are called 35ers because they started with 35. Epic! The sound about as extreme as you can get....

Fun Fact about Mennonites (especially the ones in Latin America) The Mennonites in Bolivia arrived in the mid 20th century and by 2080 they will outnumber the native Bolivian population. They’re German, Swiss, Dutch and used to be just a religious group but because they marry only Mennonites, they’ve become their own unique ethnicity and they BREED LIKE RABBITS. The Latin American Mennonites have 7-10 kids per family. For them birthing children is a sense of vocational duty. They have more kids so there will be more farm workers. They’ve been persecuted religiously in many different countries, and part of the reason they have so many children is because they have the mindset of earning their stay and freedom from religious persecution by being an objective net positive. When you see Mennonites emigrate somewhere, it is almost always because they were *recruited* there. They never move unless it’s to escape religious persecution or find another Mennonite group with more genetic diversity to continue growing their population. They are not a nomadic people otherwise. In the next 200-300 years, Central and South America will likely be majority white if this trend continues.

@InfoAtJames @sloping_ape_53 @amyoder Even so, they seem to be growing in population very quickly.

@DemographicR @sloping_ape_53 @amyoder So interesting. I will look them up now.

@JaegerNick76936 @DanielDiMartino Fairly rare as a % of the Total Mennonites population in Latin America (under 5%, + converts have higher defection rates & lower birth rates in general). But liberal & medium conservative Swiss Mennonites are far more open to converts generally than Dutch Mennonites.

@DemographicR @DanielDiMartino That's disheartening, any idea how common it is?

Average Hispanic family in a thousand years

@InfoAtJames @sloping_ape_53 @amyoder Like 750 members (likely 1,500-2,000+ if you include children/unbaptized youth). But that small population is further split into like 8 non-intermarrying groups + 7 smaller groups with only 1-3 families! And they already split from the Groffdale before that...

@DemographicR @sloping_ape_53 @amyoder They are tiny correct?

@InfoAtJames @sloping_ape_53 @amyoder Yes. They are culturally "proximal", while the Yanomamö are not lol. Would also toss in Social Identity Theory & Norm Violation as applying here.

@DemographicR @sloping_ape_53 @amyoder Of course you are right. Speaking of degrees I done Psychology and there is a psychosocial phenomenon known as Black Sheep Effect" that's explains a lot of that aversion the west has potentially for Amish, Mennonites etc but not unfamiliar groups like Polynesians

@InfoAtJames @sloping_ape_53 @amyoder The only Anabaptist group I'm "worried" about regarding genetic diversity is the 'Reidenbach Old Order Mennonites'... they. Just. Keep. Splintering!!! And they had lower genetic diversity to start with than most groups...

@DemographicR @sloping_ape_53 @amyoder Class man. Makes sense now. Its good though because you can articulately answer all those rumours you where telling me float about Mennonite communities you where telling me about the other day.

@InfoAtJames @sloping_ape_53 @amyoder I do agree that they should work to increase their genetic diversity though lol. E.g, trying to affiliate with like-minded but genetically unrelated Anabaptists (like Noah Hoover), adoptions, converts etc (even the Haredi use matchmaking methods to limit genetic disease etc).

@InfoAtJames @sloping_ape_53 @amyoder My Biology degree isn't always expensive wall art! 😅

@DemographicR @sloping_ape_53 @amyoder Knowledge is power

@InfoAtJames @sloping_ape_53 @amyoder Yes, even 'genetic diversity' measures can vary a lot depending on *how you measure & compare. The Mennonite DNA project(s) have been genetically tracing all Surnames + yDNA (+ ancestry, autosomal & mtDNA). Albeit, some names are spelling variations too. mennonitedna.com

@DemographicR @sloping_ape_53 @amyoder When you put it like that it becomes very clear in layman's terms.

@sloping_ape_53 @InfoAtJames @amyoder Albeit, Dutch Mennonites don't have "high genetic diversity" (almost no one outside of Sub-Africa does) - but they are likely similar to East Asians for Runs of Homozygosity (ROH) Even the Amish & Hutterites are similar to SA Indigenous, Polynesians & Pakistanis for ROH.

@sloping_ape_53 @InfoAtJames @amyoder 'Dutch' Mennonites had a few minor population reductions from religious persecution/murder/famine migration etc. but they had the advantages of: -Degree of base ethnic variation (Dutch, Flemish, Swiss, Swabian, Prussian, Slav). -Larger populations. -Fission-Fusion colony models

@sloping_ape_53 @InfoAtJames @amyoder Another interesting comparison: surnames Hutterites: 15 Amish: ~120-150+ Dutch Mennos: ~600+ +Detailed yDNA analysis (Mennonite DNA Project) confirms many surnames aren't "monoclonal (e.g Bartel, Braun, Dyck) have unconnected lineages (distinct paternal ancestors but same name)

@InfoAtJames @amyoder Yeah I could see that, but also that population has dysgenic qualities that include inbreeding. They as a population and culture do not bring the best genetics.

@wiedemauchsei9 @DanielDiMartino Yes it's not the best map (infographic simplification) but presents the general pattern. The other maps are even worse! I'm sure there are better ones somewhere...

@DemographicR @DanielDiMartino Palatinate and Tyrol are wrongly located on the map.

@_______9372 @BowTiedPassport Think your'e confusing "Mennonites" with "Mormons". That was the "LeBarón & Langford families massacre" of American-Mexican "independent Mormons" (3 women + 6 children).

@BowTiedPassport Did you know their compound down there has 50 cal nests. Years ago a bunch of their women and children got murdered by the cartel down there. They also have one of the largest private weapons collections in the world.

Kinda wild. No one is talking about this, but the Mennonites have cleared out nearly 6,500 acres of rainforest outside of Bacalar, Mexico.

@Barryy13 @johncenasf72641 @AAmerica111 @DanielDiMartino They've been in Latin America over 100+ years already (settlement dates below). Some subsets have modernized but others have gotten even more "plain" (less technology etc) over time.

@johncenasf72641 @AAmerica111 @DanielDiMartino In America. We have yet to see what they can do for extended periods of time outside of here. Their TFR will probably drop by the 2nd or 3rd generation swiftly. Nobody wants hard living in the 2020’s except for the older generation.

@Amogus12341412 @PhilGarber5 Those are Swiss Mennonites in North America? The ones in Latin America are Dutch & Prussian descent.

@PhilGarber5 Inbred, dysgenic people who eat grainsludge

Latin America is the new frontier for Old Colony Mennonites. They are spread across 200 colonies with 200,000 people in a combined area almost equal to that of the Netherlands and twice that of Israel. Link to article below.

@Vic18246223 @DanielDiMartino Plot twist!

@DanielDiMartino No 😂😂😂 In 1000 yrs they will look like this