
Ethan
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@drewlevin Sorry to bother, I read through patch notes and didn’t see any info, do you know when duo will be back in apex tiers?
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hello! I just cleared (nearly) all the replies to my old pinned, so I'm starting a new one. as part of that, I passed along ~150 potential inting cases to the team. thank you very much for your help in improving our detections.
if you want to make sure that I see something you send me, please make it a reply to this or link to it here. I can't make any promises that I’ll see or reply to all of this quickly (I try to enjoy my weekends too, I have a full time job, etc), but I'll do my best.
some tips to help me help you: if you include more information, i will be more likely to reply to your thing. please don't post random screenshots of people flaming you in DMs, I won't be able to do anything about that, just send those straight to player support. and if you want me to report your bug, please reproduce it in practice tool.
thank you all!
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@SkyrstLoL They’re removing phage for a second tunneler, item will be a bit worse especially for ranged, still gonna be good overall though of course, but I think people are heavily overrating it
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This change is crazy:
> Attempt to make it worse on Ranged
> Might actually be rushable first item now on lots of champs
> About to become one of the most popular items in the game to any class that likes AD, going from one of the most niche items in the game
> Nerfs incoming
Spideraxe@Spideraxe30
Experimental Hexplate change: - Overdrive 50% attack speed changed to 30 AD
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@arturmmoraes @SkyrstLoL Why are you not showing first item, and you can see here that fiend sucks ass compared to other zeal items
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@arturmmoraes @SkyrstLoL You can look at stats, currently hexplate is good, fiend sucks ass
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@DisplayLive @SkyrstLoL Zeri builds fiendhunter, hexplate on her was rarely that good
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@AerialLiz Dude I forgot absorb life existed oml, also enchanter wr are inflated a bit cuz they’re good into and with mages, who are super strong rn. I just hate mage bot.
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@DisplayLive Buff absorb life or fleet so we can pick it into poke lanes at least
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@wealary_V2 sucks cuz zeri rn is so fun with hexplate finally since ur ult actually gives movespeed now, back to glass cannon ig
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but i dont get it this item was one of the coolest items in the game and they have jst turned it into some generic u get all stats item ??
pretty sure this kills it for zeri at least 1st item, 4th/5th/6th item this is a buff but dont think you will rush it anymore, will test it.
Spideraxe@Spideraxe30
Experimental Hexplate change: - Overdrive 50% attack speed changed to 30 AD
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@Sae34068223 @SkyrstLoL Nah you would rather choose hexplate or tri, hexplate with crit will prob be good though for sure. Tri + hex too much gold wasted on hp for no crit/pen
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@DisplayLive @SkyrstLoL Triforce Vayne will become Netanyahu Pro Max with this item what do you mean?
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@nreooww @SkyrstLoL Maybe with fiendhunter yeah, with onhit it’s dead but Crit vayne better usually anyway
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@DisplayLive @SkyrstLoL Vayne will like this aswell, she gets ad from ult, it'll be a more bursty version of vayne
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@Takeo_67 @SkyrstLoL Yeah I agree, I think I also had a bit of an inflated opinion on bloodline but looking at stats it’s also not that great, especially considering it’s bad with non zerkers boots.
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@DisplayLive @SkyrstLoL Alacrity on Zeri is superior in 95% of games, just for the fact that you are not forced to build Zerkers every game
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@TiltedKoe @LuRkZ77 Oh okay, thank you! I’ll try it out in a few, do you mind if I reply to this again if I have a question?
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@DisplayLive @LuRkZ77 custom skins scene kinda fucked ngl, my method is weird and convoluted, but it works for me
I rip .dll from LTK and load it into rebocchi, then run my mods on cslol.
None of these apps work, but if you mix the 3, it works lol.
Really wish I could use customs w/o all this bs


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@SkyrstLoL Oh I TOTALLY assume it’s mostly engagement farming, the information 100% is not that valuable at base value, sorry I didn’t understand your original point.
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@DisplayLive Fair enough. I’m referring to their methodology of posting X posts in a way that appears to compare item power levels using WPA.
Even if their intentions aren’t to lead an average person to that conclusion after viewing the visual.
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I’m skeptical of Coachless using WPA as a direct “item strength” ranking metric.
If I understand correctly:
> WPA = post-buy WR - pre-buy WR
That seems closer to measuring timing/spike impact than actual power relative to other items.
Examples:
> Infinity Edge should have insanely high WPA. Lord Dominik’s Regards should have insanely high WPA because that’s ADCs’ 75% crit chance breakpoint.
> First-item WPA should usually be higher than second-item WPA, even though it’s an EXACT SAME ITEM.
Because of that, I don’t think WPA cleanly compares defensive/utility items like Verdant Barrier vs Warden's Mail despite them appearing in the same ranking table.
Unless adjusted further, WPA also seems vulnerable to:
> purchase timing bias
> win-more effects
> champion/game-state skew
> low sample size / pick rate distortion
Feels more useful as a “when does this item spike games” metric than a universal item power metric.
Currently people like it because +EV green gud [insert stocks image here]
GIF
Coachless@CoachlessGG
Highest WPA Components 📊 Verdant Barrier seems like a strong choice, but at under 300k buys it might be being underbought. Armour components also present themselves as strong across the board, taking up 5 spots within the top 8. This list does not include items such as Dark Seal & Cull or Starter Items being bought later in the game. Is there any components you expected to see on here that didn't make the cut?
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@SkyrstLoL Zeris best boots by far are Omni boots/tabis, assuming you go zeal item after hexplate you still have low af atk speed unless you also go alacrity (where bloodline is usually better), you are sacrificing too much to go hexplate after the change
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You can’t have a worse build path than having BF Sword in the build and I’ll die on that hill.
I actually think Zeri & Vayne will like this version more. Ironically Varus also have good AD scaling so gotta wait and see how it goes.
Problem with ADCs getting Hexplate before was because nowhere to fit it (they have to fit it as first item but the AS isn’t great there). Now Hexplate + Fiendhunter Bolt stat profile is pretty much perfect (There’s a reason champs like Vayne, Sivir and Twitch have ults that give AD steroids instead of AS).
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@Varry_lol Okie, i personally would always think lulu is B tier if no pairing, since she struggles into double range lanes and hard engage, and i thought naut struggled too much into stuff like Leona/braum/ali and doesn’t scale as well as the other engage supps I thought
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@DisplayLive Always open for discussion.
Lulu has rly strong lane espacially with good pairing.
Karma got touched pretty hard and has hard time into Nautilus.
Naut is best default engage Champ u can play - even into Braum or something he has agency
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