
FlyingDutchm@n
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FlyingDutchm@n
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@gametimevintage @TheRealWeb3Kat @HolgerCardano24 @NaVi_GaT0R I think Nav said his role as Drep is not in name of his role at IAGON but on his own account
Anyone can delegate but sure a lot will also be $IAG hodlers
Should IAGON make a proposal I am sure as a Drep he would vote abstain to avoid a conflict of interest
Thats the whole point
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@DutchmFlying @TheRealWeb3Kat @HolgerCardano24 Do IAG holders always have identical interests as the people that are delegated to @NaVi_GaT0R ? If so that’s a conflict of interest and he shouldn’t throw stones living in a glass house.
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A short timeline. Just what happened, in order. Decide for yourselves.
1. A DRep (@NaVi_GaT0R) asked whether DReps with paid IO-linked roles should abstain on IO's treasury proposals. A normal conflict-of-interest question.
2. Charles did not answer the question. He went after Iagon - publicly, repeatedly, over days, to his 1M+ follower account, with IO employees and IO-aligned accounts amplifying. He said Navjit had "lost the plot," called the concern "objectively wrong," and publicly stated Iagon's leadership should be replaced or the project could collapse.
3. IAG fell ~32% in 24h. Holders - who are also ADA holders - lost real money.
4. As IAG was crashing, the price-crash chart was posted at Charles. He replied with a video clip of Bane: "Your punishment must be more severe... not of your body... of your soul."
5. Charles began describing the conflict-of-interest question as an "attack on his ambassadors." It was not. No ambassador was attacked. A DRep asked, in public, whether DReps with paid IO ties should abstain on IO's proposals - a standard governance question. Reframing a question as an "attack" is what made everything that followed look justified.
6. On that false premise, Charles hosted an X Space and said, about the token holders of a project in his own ecosystem: "I don't give a shit about your token holders... I don't give a shit about your bag holders... If you attack my ambassadors, I will burn you to the ground." He also said the way out was to "apologize" and "back the fuck off."
7. When a community member said I was "obsessed," Charles replied that I have "CDS," that it is "incurable," and that people should "let him go." CDS - Cognitive Dysfunction Syndrome - is a veterinary diagnosis: age-related dementia in dogs and cats. So a sitting DRep raising sourced concerns was described in the language a vet uses for a deteriorating animal.
8. Charles then posted a unity video: the only thing that can destroy Cardano is internal fighting.
9. When some Japanese DReps voted against IO's research proposal, Charles posted directly to the Japanese community: if the proposal did not pass, "Cardano will lose its scientists" and "our lab will be forced to close." He then asked the community to "delegate to dReps who support Cardano's research agenda" - in other words, to move voting power away from DReps who voted the wrong way. When that pressure did not deliver the result, the threat hardened: approve the proposal, or be responsible for ending Cardano's research entirely. Only after this also failed to work did the tone suddenly soften.
10. As hundreds of holders engaged with these concerns, Charles shifted tone - "#strongertogether," inviting conversation.
11. I took that at face value. Then I did something he never did. After he attacked Iagon, after the "burn you to the ground," after his words helped wipe ~32% off a token held by thousands - I was the one who extended a hand. I publicly offered him a private, no-recording, one-on-one call. Man to man. Not for me - for the ecosystem. The person who was attacked took the first step toward peace.
12. His public answer to that olive branch was the pattern again, in one post. He said: "Tell him to go to hell." He demanded I issue "a public apology FOR EVERYTHING he said" before he would even speak. He said: "You don't treat me like a human toilet." And then, in the last three lines: "He's trash. Everyone can see it now. We move on."
Read that ending again. I offered him a private, calm conversation - and his response was to call me "trash" and tell the audience that this proves something about me. He attacked, and in the same breath framed the attack as evidence against the person he attacked. That is the reversal in its purest form: be the aggressor, then announce that the aggression exposes the victim.
That is the sequence. I offered a calm, private conversation - and that was the response to it.
One more thing worth seeing plainly. Not days apart. The same afternoon - roughly two hours between these two posts.
First, in public, to the ecosystem:
"Cardano is alive. The community is engaged... You are not passive holders. You are owners."
"Let me show up the way I should."
"I am inviting all of you to sit down and have a real conversation."
"I am 100% focused on Cardano and Midnight. #strongertogether"
Roughly two hours later, to me, after I publicly offered exactly that - a private, calm, one-on-one conversation:
"Tell him to go to hell."
"Have him issue a public apology FOR EVERYTHING he said."
"You don't treat me like a human toilet."
"He's trash. Everyone can see it now."
That is the gap. "Stronger together" for the audience. Two hours later, "go to hell" and "he's trash" for the person who took him up on it.
A real invitation to talk does not come with a demand to grovel first - and it does not curdle into "go to hell" within the same afternoon.
Look at the whole shape of this.
He attacked. He did not answer the question - he went after the people who asked it. When the damage was done and holders were losing money, he posted about punishment and souls. He said in public he would burn people to the ground. He pressured an entire national community to vote his way or be blamed for the end of Cardano's research.
And then, step by step, he became the victim. The question became an "attack." The critics became aggressors. The man with 1M followers and the treasury proposals became the wronged party defending the vulnerable. When I - the one who was attacked - offered peace, he framed himself as the one owed an apology, and called me "trash" for asking.
That reversal has a name: DARVO. Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender. It is not a diagnosis. It is a pattern, and the record above is the pattern, step by step, in his own words.
So the practical question stands:
Is this conduct - the attacks, the Bane clip aimed at people losing money, the "burn you to the ground," the pressure on the Japanese community, the false "victim" framing, the rejection of a good-faith olive branch - the conduct of someone who should be trusted with hundreds of millions of ADA from the community treasury?
Cardano does not have a "leader." It has a community, a treasury, and contractors who ask that community for funding. IO is one of those contractors - currently asking for hundreds of millions of ADA, with a track record of missed timelines. A contractor asking the community for money does not get to attack the members of that community for doing the exact thing the governance system was built for: participating, voting, and asking questions.
Respect for ADA holders is not optional for someone requesting their treasury. It is the job.
Screenshots of every quote above are attached. Read them in full, and decide for yourselves.👇👇👇



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@TheRealWeb3Kat @HolgerCardano24 It did start with a question with a desire for an open diagoque
But when the question remains unanswered follow up questions seem fair, so is tagging people who might be able to answer
The post you showed was a follow up top and before that 👇
x.com/i/status/20470…
⛏️Dr. Navjit Dhaliwal@NaVi_GaT0R
One of the things we should ask for is all the 3rd party contractors that are associated with these proposals. 1) This points out if there are any dReps that have conflict of interest 2) We should also ask the question if these 3rd party companies are owned by any of the entities A good start would be asking about Midgard - there are some that think IOG has invested here as well. We know Blockfrost is owned by IOG but we don't know who is contracted to Blockfrost as a 3rd party Assuming both companies have been invested in recently, what happened to that capital?
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This did not start because of a question, or a desire for open, respectful dialogue.
It started with a post that singled out individual DReps and an attempt to publicly coerce them on how to vote.
Not sure why you'd ever expect Charles to get on a call with you when you're taking zero accountability and placing all of the onus on him while you lie about how this all started.

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@DutchmFlying @cwpaulm Same reason as above. Pushed through by Emurgo changing their votes
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@cwpaulm 5 now. Emurgo just changed their vote from abstain to yes
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Okay. For the sake of #Cardano and the overall situation, let's try something.
Since Charles blocked me he does not see my messages, so i NEED YOU, to do one thing please:
Tag Charles by creating a post with the message between START/END:
--- START ---
@IOHK_Charles, @HolgerCardano24 wants you to know the following:
I would like to invite you to a private 1-on-1 call with me. No BS, no fighting, no recordings - just two grown men having a constructive conversation for the sake of our ecosystem.
I will follow you for the next 24 hours. Unblock me, follow me back, and DM me. Then we can switch to another channel where we can talk privately.
It will be worth it. #Cardano is much bigger than both of us, and I sincerely hope you accept the offer to have an honest and constructive conversation.
Thanks!
--- END ---
Please EVERYONE create a post with that content.
Let's make it happen! Thank you!
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I've improved DaveGov so you can now dig much deeper into Cardano governance and DRep voting behaviour.
You can now see things like how much ADA your DRep has voted to spend historically, how much they have currently committed towards treasury withdrawals, how many proposals they have voted on, how many rationales they have provided, and broader voting behaviour across governance actions.
I've also added better analytics around treasury actions including enacted, pending, withdrawn and approved proposals, along with participation rates and pending yes vote inclusion tracking against treasury spend.
This morning I focused heavily on performance improvements as well. DRep search is now significantly faster, governance analytics are more responsive, and caching improvements mean the platform scales and feels better with every additional user.
There's also now historical comparison functionality, so you can compare how DReps voted during 2025 against current governance behaviour.
The goal is simple. Make Cardano governance more transparent, measurable and easier to understand at scale.
If you have any ideas, let me know and i'll try get them added, enjoy :)
governance.cardano-visualisation.com

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Cardano treasury governance must be decided by evidence, merit and community consent - not threats.
This amendment does not silence debate. It protects debate.
It does not stop proposers from defending their work. It stops proposers from using intimidation, retaliation, coercion, or abuse of influence to pressure dReps, SPOs, CC members, ada holders, auditors, administrators, competitors or community members.
It's simple
Ask questions without fear. Vote without fear. Compete without fear. Build without fear.
⛏️Dr. Navjit Dhaliwal@NaVi_GaT0R
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@NaVi_GaT0R Rumor has it Charles managed to complete all the bathrooms in his Clinic but is missing one key element in all...
The Mirror
GIF
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Charles, when every critic becomes a villain, the pattern is not everyone else. The pattern is you.
You just listed Optim, Iagon, Cardano Whale, Dave, Rick, Adam and others like this is an "inventory." It is not an inventory. It is a list of people in this ecosystem who have questioned you, disagreed with you, did something you didn't like, challenged IOG, challenged a narrative or refused to act like Cardano governance exists only to ratify what you want.
And instead of reflecting on why so many serious people keep ending up on the other side of your megaphone, you reach for the same playbook every time
- Dismiss the substance.
- Attack the person.
- Recast yourself as the victim.
- Then tell everyone else to "grow up."
So let's take the Iagon part of your "inventory," since you brought us into it. You say Iagon "started bullying and harassing" Midnight ambassadors. That is a convenient story, but it is not what happened.
I as a dRep asked a governance question, NOT Iagon.
A dRep asked whether people with roles connected to Midnight or IOG linked interests, who also held meaningful dRep voting power, should abstain on IOG related treasury proposals. That is governance.
That is literally what dReps are supposed to do - ask hard questions, examine conflicts, protect treasury neutrality and represent the $ADA holders who delegated voting power to them. If a person is participating in governance with delegated $ADA while also holding a role connected to a project or organization affected by that vote, asking about conflicts is not an attack. It is accountability.
And let's be very clear - ambassadors are not above scrutiny. dReps are not above scrutiny. Iagon is not above scrutiny. IOG is not above scrutiny. Midnight is not above scrutiny. You are not above scrutiny.
This is supposed to be decentralized governance, not a court where certain people get protected status because they are useful to Charles Hoskinson.
The moment a person participates in public governance with public voting power, the public is allowed to ask public questions. You did not answer the conflict question. You reframed it as "bullying" - ironically this is exactly what you have been doing in this ecosystem.
Then you escalated it into an attack on Iagon, my leadership and the holders.
You used your platform to tell the market you had "no more time" for the project unless leadership changed. You warned that Iagon could fail and destroy value for token holders. You called into question the ethics and integrity my leadership. You accused us of acting out of spite rather than engaging with the actual governance concern.
And then, after the damage was done, you turned around and said people are "playing the victim." That is not leadership. That is deflection.
You cannot threaten a Cardano native project, watch real holders suffer, then accuse the people objecting to the threat of being childish.
You cannot say you care about token holders while dismissing "your token holders" when those holders happen to be in a project that challenged you.
There are no "Iagon holders" over there and "Cardano holders" over here. $IAG holders are $ADA holders.
They are stake pool operators.
They are voters.
They are dReps.
They are builders.
They are community members.
They are families.
They are the same ecosystem you claim to defend.
When you attack a Cardano project, you are not attacking some foreign body. You are attacking people inside Cardano. That is the part you keep avoiding.
You talk about ambassadors being bullied. Fine. I will say this clearly - I do not condone harassment of any ambassador, volunteer, dRep, builder, SPO or community member. Anyone who crosses into personal abuse should stop.
But do not use "protecting ambassadors" as a shield to make governance questions untouchable. Do not use volunteers as human armor around treasury proposals.
Do not say "decentralized governance" when the rule is really - vote,but do not question my side - ask question but not about my people - participate but only if you accept the consequences of my platform turning on you.
That is not governance.
That is intimidation. And since we are talking about red lines, where were those red lines when Iagon was being called a scam? Where were those red lines when IOG aligned voices and consultants were smearing Iagon publicly?
Where were those red lines when defamatory claims, racial slurs and personal attacks were being thrown at builders who have spent years building on Cardano?
Where was the concern for "bullying" then?
The standard cannot be:
When your side attacks, it is criticism.
When others ask questions, it is harassment.
When you escalate, it is leadership.
When people respond, they are victims.
When you use a 1M+ follower account, it is accountability.
When a dRep asks about conflicts, it is a mob.
That double standard is exactly why people are speaking up. You say people "lash out, get hit hard and then play the victim."
No.
People ask legitimate questions. You hit hard. Then you call their injuries proof that they were wrong to ask. That is the pattern.
A dRep raises a conflict of interest concern. You call it bullying. A project CEO disagrees with IOG proposals.
You call it spite. A community member challenges your narrative. You diagnose them, mock them, block them or write them off. Then, when people notice the pattern, you call them children.
Charles, the lack of self-reflection here is breathtaking.
At some point, when the same story keeps happening with different people, different projects, different dReps, different critics,and different cycles, maybe the common denominator is not that everyone else is irrational.
Maybe the common denominator is that you treat disagreement as disloyalty.
Maybe the common denominator is that you confuse criticism with attack.
Maybe the common denominator is that you cannot separate Cardano from yourself. That is dangerous in a decentralized ecosystem. Because Cardano does not belong to you.
It does not belong to IOG.
It does not belong to Iagon.
It does not belong to Midnight.
It does not belong to any ambassador group, any DRep bloc, any founder, any company or any whale.
It belongs to the $ADA holders and the people building, maintaining, securing, voting, delegating, questioning and participating in it.
And if those people cannot ask whether conflicts exist without being threatened, mocked, financially harmed or publicly targeted, then governance is not free.
You said "grow up kids." Here is the adult version:
Answer the question. Should dReps with roles, incentives, payments, affiliations or obligations connected to an organization seeking treasury funds disclose those overlaps and consider abstaining?
Yes or no?
That was the issue.
Not your ego.
Not my tone.
Not Iagon’s existence.
Not whether Midnight ambassadors are good people.
Not whether Charles feels attacked.
Not whether people should be afraid to ask next time.
The question was about conflict, disclosure and treasury integrity. If there is no conflict, explain why.
If there is a conflict, disclose it. If abstention is not necessary, make the case. If the Constitution already provides the standard, apply it equally. But do not turn a governance question into a loyalty test.
Do not demand apologies for asking what every serious governance system must be willing to ask.
Do not pretend you are defending decentralization while using centralized influence to punish dissent.
And do not tell people to "grow up" while threatening to burn projects down.
The Cardano community should be able to disagree without fear. dReps should be able to vote NO without being branded enemies. Builders should be able to compete without being targeted. Token holders should not become collateral damage in personality conflicts.
Ambassadors should be respected, yes. But they should not be used to make legitimate governance scrutiny off limits.
So yes, let's take inventory.
Who asked a governance question?
Who answered with escalation?
Who raised a possible conflict?
Who turned it into a campaign against a project?
Who claims to care about token holders?
Who publicly attacked leadership of a project whose holders are also Cardano community members?
Who says others play the victim?
Who keeps casting himself as the victim whenever accountability arrives?
That is the pattern people are seeing. And no amount of "grow up kids" changes it.
Iagon will continue building. I will continue voting my conscience as a dRep. I will continue asking questions when treasury neutrality, conflicts of interest and governance integrity are at stake.
If I am wrong, answer with facts. If you disagree, make the argument. But threats, mockery, blocks and public intimidation are not arguments. They are the behavior of someone who wants decentralized governance only until it decentralizes power away from him.
Cardano deserves better than that.

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ATLAS ROUND 2
Following the successful public testnet launch, Atlas Round 2 is officially scheduled for:
* May 28th
* 4 PM UTC
* 24 Hours Only
Structure
• First-come, first-served
• ~1.5M ADA target
Round 2 Incentives
Round 2 participants will receive access to multiple incentives, including an allocation in our upcoming points program.
More details soon 👀
Final pricing, token allocation, and full incentive details will be released 48 hours prior to the public sale.
Purpose of Round 2
Round 2 is focused on:
• funding mainnet launch
• expanding protocol liquidity
• preparing for real trading volume and user growth
A key part of this round:
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Perps szn is here.

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@PaddyCTO As a community we should protect Dreps from the situation you descrobed
But that will always be hard specially with the example we now get from the top down
Charles should lead by example and welcome critique as a chance to show his thoughts on the matter
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@PaddyCTO Disagree
Voting should be anonymus to ensure you vote based on your opinion and not because you fear retribution
But DReps represent, they vote for others
Delegaters to them should be able to know how the Drep voted so they can evaluate and perhaps redelegate if needed
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Cardano dReps should be able to vote privately.
Transparent governance is important.
But there’s also a strong argument for protecting voters from social pressure, tribalism, harassment, and coordinated influence campaigns.
Privacy voting on Midnight, with results/verifiability rolled up to Cardano.
🔵🌑
#Cardano #ADA #Midnight
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The Odyssey just keeps getting worse bro if this lady is Greek then I’m the president of Nigeria
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@Giannis21234 @HotepGoldstein @elonmusk @EndymionYT PS proud Barbarian Ancestry here
We beat the Romans at Baduhenna some time after the mayor blow at Teutoburgerwald
You go believe in your fairytales, ill take history over fiction any day
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@Giannis21234 @HotepGoldstein @elonmusk @EndymionYT Shows map of Byzantine Empire ~500 AD
Map of Roman Empire at 100 plus AD - try and Google what it looked like around 0
We are still talking about modern day Palestine, Jesus looked like an Arab
Cry harder
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