ozymandias
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ozymandias
@DxcSmurf
وإذ قال الله يعيسى ابن مريم ءأنت قلت للناس اتخذوني وأمي إلهين من دون الله قال سبحنك ما يكون لي أن أقول ما ليس لي بحق
Katılım Temmuz 2023
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@zebe66 @SushMiles I think that when OP talks about “reason,” she/he is referring to the character's internal justification
Pochita knew it wasn't moral to kill an innocent person, but did it anyway, while Makima believed her crimes were justified because, in her view, the end justifies the means
English
show me a pannel of Makima sliming out an innocent person for no reason I’ll wait.
Ichi@Ichigo_WD
The replies saying they deserved to die because they were mean to Kobeni. That person was just a random customer that got scared.
English
@LucasPOV24 @1savK @Lumtari 1) What Eric Cartman did was worse than this imo
2) In terms of intent, Makima did it thinking she could create a utopia, while Cartman did it because of some scam (like a $10 scam IIRC) and to prove that he was the MOST EVIL
I don't get how you think the two are comparable
English
@rubbingmyclih sah j'ai jamais compris l'embrouille, c'est à cause de ses tweets sur l'Islam ?
Français
@mreowkima That's why I think “how unpleasant” is a better translation, but “I find you disagreeable” is also a valid interpretation
By the way, that same line is a famous quote from Mirai in Beyond the Boundary, and it's most often translated as “how unpleasant"
youtu.be/w8h3V9QWe7E
YouTube
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@mreowkima She just says "Fuyukai desu"
The thing is, Japanese is a “pro-drop” language where you can omit things if the context makes it obvious. The problem is that the subjects aren't obvious here, because Makima mentions his appearance and words just before rather than himself
English
@mreowkima Btw there are a few other mistranslations and oddities toward the end of Part 1 regarding Makima. I really recommend reading this post for example
reddit.com/r/ChainsawMan/…
English
@mreowkima In Japanese, Makima isn't necessarily addressing Denji
she just says "不愉快です" (Fuyukai desu) which would rather translate as "How unpleasant" or "This is disagreeable" (more litteral)
She is rather talking about the situation
日本語
@_Tsuj1_ @02Dvst8 @jojoslyfe21 Yes, there are a lot of problems
In a world without Pochita, Denji would have been killed by the yakuza long before he reached his teens (or he would have escaped but would no longer have any ties to the yakuza)
English
@02Dvst8 @jojoslyfe21 You can't have both Nayuta an incarnation that appeared post chapter 1 and Power an incarnation pre chapter 1. He's picking which devils appear at which stage of their cycle based on who we care about even if that breaks the narrative and the rules of his own world
English
Ask yourself this how did pochita eating himself get denji out of that devils stomach in the first place
Sam@BiasYujiFan
How did Pochita eating himself make Denji go back in time?😭😭😭😭😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂😂😭😭😭
English
@mkmcsm Above all, it makes no sense from a narrative standpoint
If Pochita did indeed perform a time reset (which he shouldn't be capable of doing), then the “alternate Makima” could never have remembered Pochita because he never existed in that timeline
English
.@GabrielSaidR is a doofus. He says the Quran refuting the muhsrikun for worshipping Lat, Manat, and Uzza could be a "literary motiphe" and that maybe no such pagans actually existed 😂😂.
He only says this cuz it destroys the entire hypothesis of his book 🤣 Goofy ass clown.
English
@Dre09134 @Stephen_Fremel @Ichigo_WD It's even simpler than that, the translation is off (and it's not the first time in part 1)
Makima said : " 消えてしまった名前を思い出せなくなりました "
It would rather translate as "I have become unable to remember the names that have disappeared"
@Stephen_Fremel
日本語
@Stephen_Fremel @Ichigo_WD Dood you are literally contradicting yourself. You claim to be a “critical thinker” then you basically say “don’t think too deep to excuse a plot hole”. And Makima literally said “even with my power to control everything” before she said what you quoted which means she and the ot
English
This is not character development. A character develops when they DECIDE to make different choices.
Pochita erasing himself and Denji stopping Asa from falling were things completely out of her control.
Asa didn't develop. Her circumstances simply magically changed.
Dannyさん@danny_saaan
The concept that Asa lost character development because of the world reset is flawed. Her entire story revolves around carrying guilt that isn't hers and clinging to a reason to live because of it. Her savior complex was harming herself
English
@Ichigo_WD @Stephen_Fremel It’s gotten to the point where I think the best interpretation is that the whole ending is a lie/dream, but that’s also inconsistent, lol
English
@Ichigo_WD @Stephen_Fremel To me, this is the craziest part of this unfortunate chapter, and I think we need to talk about it even more.
Fujimoto literally went OUT OF HIS WAY to explain that Pochita's power doesn't alter the consequences of past actions in ALL SORTS OF WAY, he can't have forgotten that
English
@katanamanrule34 @Krisdice_ I mean, she likes humans and expressed regrets for the deaths that were to come during the gun devil attack, so..
English
@mkmcsm hm , if he only finished the Gun Devil arc and didn't read the rest of part 1, it might be understandable...
English
@KalalaKiller Dans le but de faire souffrir l’humanité éternellement et pleure de joie face à la souffrance humaine
C’est tellement incomparable
Français
@KalalaKiller Makima fait ça pour accomplir un but qui, a ses yeux, est le bien commun, d’où le fait qu’elle se voit comme le mal nécessaire
Yoru massacre des milliers d’innocents sans aucune raisons et condamne dès dizaines de millions de personnes à un sort pire que la mort
Français
Makima a plus bousillé la vie de Denji que Yoru
La vie de merde que Denji vie dans la P2 de CSM n'est littéralement en rien la faute de Yoru c'est à Shi, Baruem, les devils hunters et Fujimoto qui faut blâmer
Alfie ⊬ | certified girlfailure🎖️@snailoomf
Now why is makima worse than yoru
Français
@the_razah @KalalaKiller Non du tout
Makima pense agir pour le plus grand bien d’où le thème du mal nécessaire dans la part 1
tandis que Yoru condamne des dizaines de millions de personnes à un sort pire que la mort et pleure de joie face au fait que humains souffrent à cause de son pouvoir
Français
@DxcSmurf @KalalaKiller Ah bon ?? Je crois que tu as oublié ce que makima a fait.
Français
@Ichigo_WD @BirdYoru I still find this interpretation very convoluted, but I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.
English
Makima made it her life's mission to systematically destroy everything in Denji's life until he lost the will to continue living.
Alfie ⊬ | certified girlfailure🎖️@snailoomf
Now why is makima worse than yoru
English