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Last post messed up big time so let's see how this goes! I'm doing pay what you want icons! Minimum of $1, but the more you pay, the more effort I put into the drawing. Minimum = sketchy icons while higher payments could go up to lined and fully shaded. Examples attached<3
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@ILoveQuestions5 @Muphoo2 @Loppyhop Except she doesn't? She does not have photo evidence that he assaulted her. Hickeys are not evidence of assault, merely that something intimate happened. She has not pictures besides that and vague DMs, it's he said, she said, as we've been saying.
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Loppy🌸🌷@Loppyhop·
As an autistic girl: OH MY GOD??? PLEASE DO NOT SPREAD THE NOTION AROUND THAT AUTSTIC PEOPLE CANT COMPREHEND CONSENT? this is such harmful misinformation! Yes you might struggle to pick up social cues, but that NEVER extends to BASIC. CONSENT. if you hear no, IT'S NO.
Urbanshade@UrbanshadeRblx

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@Loppyhop He didn't??? He straight up said he has difficulty with *subtle social signals* and he does understand consent. He does not use it as an excuse, he does not claim autistic people can't comprehend consent. Many people have twisted the words and made up bs with *both* parties
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Yukiro Inari@xgcXKSb1IPEHCz9·
Рен вообще ебанулась, я сижу на её дс сервере и она такой бред щас выдаёт Из добренькой жертвы начала желать смерти всем, кто поддерживает Зила Вот вам и истинное лицо Её защитники тоже самое шлют Зилу, что и наши ей Но он не желает им смерти, в отличии от вашей святой Рен
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@sweatyturnip Right, one is proof, another is word of mouth. Can we all just be neutral and wait for the truth to come out already? It's a he said she said situation, we have no room to make a verdict because we have *nothing* to work with proof wise.
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@awaterbottlecap @solarequinoxv2 @JackysCornField No, that's quite literally what his statement is saying. You cannot consent to something and revoke consent *after* it happened. Before and during? Yes, absolutely, but not after. If that was true, you know everyone would be considered an assaulter or a rapist.
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@thloveofthgame Firstly, where is your proof he's stronger, secondly strength does not matter? There is still a difference between holding hands above you head and being pinned. Again, this is said with experience and to show that a lot of statements are taken out of context with no experience
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@EchoWebProduct zeal is also way stronger than ren just saying, its quite literally zeal pinning ren down
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@MeltZero_ @_Shield_Master_ @BloodyWing4 He didn't admit to it, we have no proof that the account that was made before his main account and is supposed to be his mom is him or his mom and the arsenal myth was debunked. We have no proof from either side on what actually happened. Neutrality is the best position here
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MeltZero@MeltZero_·
if you still play pressure or even defend zeal at the slightest dni with me
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@JesterIRL_ @bgone_b @wiindshocker Um, babes, he does address the second part, quite blatantly says he said it as a joke for something else. Also the arsenal was debunked already and he states that he does not know everything because he is offline
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@bgone_b @wiindshocker I read the full doc and didn’t see anything about that or the claim Ren made about him saying “can’t wait for the google docs in the next five years.”
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So like his mom ACTUALLY thinks he didn’t do anything and is posting his doc for him while he’s in the hospital?? Right right
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@thloveofthgame As someone who has had their hands above them during sexual intercourse while interlocked with my partner's hand and had been actually pinned multiple times, no there IS a difference between being pinned and your hands being held above your head. I'm not taking a side, just (1/2)
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@IsHoneyOutYet What physical proof? Where is thete proof it was assault? /gen because if there was proof missing than I can break my neutral stance that I've only held because there hasn't been proof of it being SA, simply it being a sexual encounter
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The Gimmick@IsHoneyOutYet·
All this doc does is counter-accuse Ren of completely separate things. This does not invalidate anything Ren has said and is all just witness account while Ren at least had physical proof.
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@tallcowyt Not what he's saying, ya'll are reaching SO hard with that like of thinking. If you consent to something, you can revoke consent before and during, not after when you regret it or see an opportunity. His statement is true, and this is coming from a victim and survivor.
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Yea no fuck what I was saying earlier, this entire document is bullshit. Somehow I missed the part where Zeal said “consent given cannot be retracted 6 months later” like mf what?? So you’re basically saying consent was never there to begin with? Idek how I fumbled so hard yall please forgive me. Fuck you Zeal
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@SHOPK3EPER @SnowyRequiem0 He's not using the internet, he stated this in the doc. He typed this offline, his mother posted it. And you used the term probably, because there is no evidence, just like there is no evidence of anything. It's a he said she said situation, that's the unfortunate truth rn
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𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙀𝙑𝙄𝙇—
𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙀𝙑𝙄𝙇—@SHOPK3EPER·
@SnowyRequiem0 zeal probably lied about his su1cide attempt, considering he is using the internet despite the hospital " prohibiting him " + he blames his autism as the reason why he didnt see ren didnt consent. plus the doc is mostly him Reflecting blame rather than Apologizing.
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𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙀𝙑𝙄𝙇—
𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙀𝙑𝙄𝙇—@SHOPK3EPER·
don't believe a WORD that guys says. his doc basically confirmed the assault happened and he's blaming it on 'poor social clues' . Keep Supporting Ren.
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@pixeldollXP And Ren's is "He did it he did it" with no evidence as well. Both are untrustworthy, neither has proof. It boils down to a he said she said situation.
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@goobydoobiee @eimibun They have equal gain from lying. For Ren it's getting cleared for everything she may have done and ruining Zeal, for Zeal, it's to save his image and publicity.
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@goobydoobiee @eimibun That's what I'm pointing out, we don't know, no one knows and no one has definitive proof if anything. And that second part is not technically true and I hate when people use the "What would they gain from lying" card because for some people, ruining their lives is enough (1/2)
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eimiñoin🪼✶⋆.˚@eimibun·
Also he’s lying, my mom is a nurse that works in a psychiatric unit and deals with suicidal patients almost everyday When they receive visitors, for the patients’ safety they forbid you from giving them any sort of electronics or any item in general to avoid harming theirselves
Urbanshade@UrbanshadeRblx

with further developments. My family will be posting this document and reply on my behalf. During my stay, my mom has been visiting me, letting me borrow a laptop to write whilst offline, and reading aloud the messages of people who have messaged her.

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@Madeofsweetmeat Not necessarily? I don't understand why you all are stating this when it's a true fact. If you consent to something, you cannot regret it months later and take back the consent. Also, this statement does not mean consent was never there? That's a reach for everyone
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