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@truth_ally @BillboardChris @buttonslives I did know that. I simply pointed out that it was a recommendation that the Church chose to follow with regard to its clergy.

@EdOEwing1 @BillboardChris @buttonslives Yes Paul says he wishes other believers could be celibate but he didn't require it nor is it a qualification for an elder. Did you not know that, or are you purposely trying to obfuscate?

I think I’m going to give church another try. I need help understanding evil. Which kind of church talks about that?

@truth_ally @BillboardChris @buttonslives Trust me, I sat in Protestant pews for 30 years, I’ve heard all the falsehoods Baptist preachers say about Catholics not reading the Bible. You only have a Bible because priests and monks handmade copies for 1500 years…they knew everything that it says better than anyone.

@EdOEwing1 @BillboardChris @buttonslives Please show me in the Bible where it says an elder must be celibate or where an elder is assigned the duty of administering penance. I never said the priesthood didn't require the elder qualifications. The problem is with the extra-Biblical aspects

@truth_ally @BillboardChris @buttonslives 2 Samuel 12 After David’s sin with Bathsheba, he confesses his sin to Nathan, who tells him: “The LORD also has put away your sin; you shall not die.” But David accepts the consequences of his actions, and fasts as a sign of contrition while his child dies.

@truth_ally @BillboardChris @buttonslives Please show me where the Bible defines what an elder is and how priests don’t meet that definition. Priests are not mediators, as there is one mediator Jesus Christ, who mediates between God and man by offering his body as a sacrifice to allow humans to commune with God.

@EdOEwing1 @BillboardChris @buttonslives Our disagreement is in the definition of elder. The Biblical definition of elder is not a priesthood in the sense that priests are considered mediators between man and God. For example, the administering of penance or confirmation exclusively by Catholic preists is not Biblical

@truth_ally @BillboardChris @buttonslives You’re correct, he wasn’t an Apostle. He had hands laid on him by an Apostlea and clearly was given authority to ordain new ministers. Thank you for citing scripture that proves my point.

@EdOEwing1 @BillboardChris @buttonslives In Titus, Paul left Titus is Crete to identify men out of the body of believers who were above reproach to be appointed elders. Titus was not an Apostle. Rome has laid claim to exclusive authority which those verses don't justify.

@truth_ally @BillboardChris @buttonslives God created the office of priest in his church. See Isaiah 66:18-21 where he says he will take Gentiles to serve him as priests. I said you were lying by saying the Catholic Church doesn’t have councils of elders. We clearly do.

@EdOEwing1 @BillboardChris @buttonslives Roman Catholicism creating an office and calling it priest after a Greek word used in the NT doesn't automatically mean all the extra-Biblical traditions added to the office are legitimate. It is not a lie to question Apostolic succession.

@truth_ally @BillboardChris @buttonslives By the way, the word translated “elders” (presbyteros) is where the word “priest” comes from. The Catholic Church has presbyteral councils in each diocese and most parishes have pastoral councils. Please stop spreading lies about things that you don’t know about.

@EdOEwing1 @BillboardChris @buttonslives A church that is following the pattern described in the New Testament has a council of elders that meet the qualifications described in Scripture. The Roman Catholic church does not. Nor does a church that is led by one self-appointed man

@neoavatara Even if that were true, no one pictured Achilles as a 95 lb woman who had her breasts removed.

Just wait until ignorant people realize the Greeks widely accepted homosexuality... Even with characters like Achilles.

@Truth_matters20 I’ve found that Protestants don’t care what the Bible said to people in the 1st century. They interpret everything as though it was written to a 21st century American and refuse to admit that they don’t understand things even when the text itself say it’s hard to understand.

After years of engaging Catholics, Orthos, and Mormons online, I can only conclude that the vast majority of them really do not care what the Bible says.

@BillboardChris @buttonslives You’re right, much better to go to a church whose pastor appointed himself to be a leader of a flock.

@buttonslives One where you’re not taught that you need a priest to forgive your mortal sins.

@mcsquared34 Conflating the value and respectability of a person is what leftists do. The conservative is talking about the value they assign to the work a person does, not the value of the person himself.

@JeffAnderson_ All you white people commenting that haven’t been to medical school need to stop. You must have an MD to understand basic statistics and read a chart about admissions demographics.

Just found the matriculation data for Yale. Guys, these numbers are really REALLY good. All groups. Every last one of these are overly qualified I assure you. There’s just simply not enough seats. Everybody can’t get in at the same time. That doesn’t mean they won’t ever get in. People applying with these numbers will eventually get in somewhere unless they have som horrific past

Yale School of Medicine Has a total of 553 students across All four classes. Total Black students: 44. That’s ~10 per class. Total Asian students: 157. That’s ~40 per class. There are nearly as many Asian students PER CLASS as there are Black students in the entire school. Black: 14% of America. Only 7% of Yale Med Asian: 7% of America. 28% of Yale Med. Who exactly is getting discriminated against here ? aamc.org/media/6131/dow…

@R3L3VANTTRUTH @patristicpill You’re so close. I clearly showed Cyril, like every other Christian for 1500 years, said it was real spiritually & physically. It’s not either/or. I’ll be praying for physical scales to fall from your spiritually blinded reformed eyes. God bless.

@EdOEwing1 @patristicpill Good thing I didn’t do that. Instead I showed Cyril discussing John 6 (the text you claimed) and showed that Cyril (like me) believed real spiritual presence.

1 Get them to affirm Acts 15 as legitimate 2 Show the structural identity between Acts 15 and the Ecumenical Councils 3 Ask why they accept one and reject the others 4 When they say “the councils could err” ask by what standard you evaluate whether a council erred 5 The answer will always be “Scripture then ask who interprets Scripture 6 They’ll say “I do” or “the Spirit guides me” 7 Then point out that 40,000 denominations all claim the same and all contradict each other 8 The epistemological collapse is complete

@bannedpastor The most Protestant countries in Europe have the lowest church attendance rates. Ireland, Italy, Spain and Portugal and Poland are the only places Christianity is still holding on. Luther, Calvin and Zwingli killed it in the rest of Europe.

America was built on Protestant beliefs. Orthodox and Catholics ruined Europe. Don’t let them do it here.

@R3L3VANTTRUTH @patristicpill Just before and after this passage, Cyril repeatedly insists that the Eucharist truly is Christ’s Body and Blood:

John 6. My favorite passage. The passage where Jesus literally says coming to Him is eating and believing Him is drinking. Then if that wasn’t clear enough, He literally states His words are spiritual. Yes excellent reference! Although I could spend hours explaining John 6 to you, you’ve been indoctrinated to think no one can possibly interpret Scripture except the very institution interpreting Scripture to prove only they can interpret it. 😂 Be that as it may, the Bishop of Jerusalem says it best. (Aren’t you supposed to obey the bishop?) Cyril of Jerusalem - “Christ on a certain occasion discoursing with the Jews said, Except ye eat My flesh and drink My blood, ye have no life in you. They not having heard His saying in a spiritual sense were offended, and went back, supposing that He was inviting them to eat flesh.”

@R3L3VANTTRUTH @patristicpill That’s why in John 4:24, Jesus says “those who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth.” It is spiritual, but it’s also real. This is a hard saying, and many will hear it and walk with him no more. They will have no part in him.

@R3L3VANTTRUTH @patristicpill Go read John 6 again. And then again. And then one more time. It does not say what you think it does. St Augustine says eating is believing, but he also believed his flesh was real food. Modern people have a hard time understanding that it can be spiritual and real at once.