Emeralda Chaos

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@JordanLDurham Honestly, this is getting tiring. Go on pretending that Goku doesn't care about fighting and only cares about winning and that no one had an arcs in Dragon Ball because you didn't read the story. I'm done with this.

@Emeralda_Chaos @Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery He cared about winning when you said he didn’t because you have no clue what you are talking about lol that’s what’s important here lmaooo

This is why giving the series different titles was a horrible idea because now instead appreciating a character’s development we debate which version is better behind an invisible wall.

@JordanLDurham @Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery How in the hell do you see Vegeta dealing with a threat as 'back to his old ways'? Honestly, the fact that he listens to Goku immediately after Goku makes his point shows he isn't like his old ways since old Vegeta took out threats regardless of what Goku asked.

@Emeralda_Chaos @Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery You didn’t even interpret vegeta’s line correctly because he is right back to his old ways WITHIN THAT ARC lmaoo

@JordanLDurham @Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery If he only cared about winning and didn't care about a good fight then he would have just accepted the advantage and went on with the fight. Honestly, this is getting tiring, you don't understand Goku even remotely nor the Turtle School way that he was trained under.

@Emeralda_Chaos @Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery Yeah that’s a cop out lmaoo it’s about WINNING in a fair fight lmaoo otherwise this wouldn’t matter lol if he didn’t intend on winning fairly the rules wouldn’t matter and he would have no reason to feel guilty lol 😂 you are absolutely full of it.

@JordanLDurham @Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery Can you stop inserting yourself into conversations that have nothing to do with you? As for your point, asserting that Vegeta is lying in the Buu Saga isn't the same as pointing out how Goku is written far differently than he was before.

@Emeralda_Chaos @Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery YOU think you know the story better than the writer lmaoo Toriyama is the reason for goku’s characterization shift in Super because he literally complained about how they characterized him originally lmaoo

@JordanLDurham @Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery Goku wanted a fair fight, it's part of his character and even extends into the later parts of the story like when he gave Cell a senzu bean because it only felt fair to him. Him letting Piccolo hit him has nothing to do with winning and everything to do with keeping things fair

@Emeralda_Chaos @Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery Yeah.. No lmaoo not only did he want to win.. he wanted to win fair and square to the point he literally let piccolo hit him lmaoo you have no clue what you are talking about.

@Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham Can you? Really pushing the stereotype with how you assert things about the series that are contradicted by literally reading it.

@Emeralda_Chaos @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham I didn't say he only cared about winning.Can you read

@Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham Says the person who thinks they know the story better than the writer and asserts that Vegeta is just wrong about always being behind Goku despite the story literally telling and showing us otherwise.

@Emeralda_Chaos @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham I don't wanna hear that from you.You don't understand basic shit

@JordanLDurham @Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery Goku wanted to fight strong opponents and test his own strength, winning was just an afterthought. If Goku went to the tournament and easily beat everyone with no effort, he wouldn't care even remotely.

@Emeralda_Chaos @Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery Are you seriously claiming goku didn’t want to win the tenkaichi budokai?

@Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham He wanted to be stronger, it's literally his biggest driving force and the motto of the Turtle School. Honestly, I'm beginning to question if you even read or watched Dragon Ball at all and didn't just watch a 'coolest fights' compilation on Youtube.

@Emeralda_Chaos @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham He didn't take the losses personal, but he always wanted to win.

@Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham This doesn't mean that Goku only cares about winning or fought in every world tournament only to win like you asserted.

@Emeralda_Chaos @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham He literally did not want kami to get involved in his fight with Piccolo because he said it would interfere with the match and he wanted to win on his own.Once he won, he jumped up in the air and said i'm the World champion

@JordanLDurham @Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery This doesn't disprove anything I said. When he lost, he didn't throw a tantrum or mope about losing, he just enjoyed the fight.

@Emeralda_Chaos @Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery lol

@txdewac @yuya2welve @JordanLDurham They haven't been confirmed or denied because we don't know character's exact strengths beyond the Freeza saga so it is impossible to verify any numbers or multipliers beyond the very first one.

@Emeralda_Chaos @yuya2welve @JordanLDurham the daizenshuu gets facts wrong but that doesn’t mean that everything in it is false. the super saiyan multipliers haven’t been disproved by any other material as far as i know

@Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham No? He didn't care when he lost against Tien in the tournament even remotely because it was never about winning for him. Same goes for when he lost against Jackie Chun. Goku doesn't fight to win, he fights to improve himself and protect others.

@Emeralda_Chaos @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham Yes it's always wanted to fight strong opponents but he has always wanted to win as well Roshi didn't want him to win, but that's a different situation

@Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham Ah yes, what someone says when they have nothing else of value to say.

@Emeralda_Chaos @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham You're an idiot

@Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham We literally don't see your magical fantasy where Vegeta was always equal to Goku. He was always lagging behind. That's what the story shows and tells us. Also, Akira Toriyama knows more about his own story than you do and he wrote the line so please, stop asserting nonsense.

@Emeralda_Chaos @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham How could he know his capabilities better than me? When he's a fictional fucking character. Number one number two, we literally see what I'm saying.

@txdewac @yuya2welve @JordanLDurham The official dragon ball material that gets basic facts wrong such as asserting that Kami is weaker than King Piccolo despite the story saying otherwise and Mr. Popo is apparently stronger than 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Goku despite being stated in the story to be weaker than Kami.

@Emeralda_Chaos @yuya2welve @JordanLDurham the ssj1, 2, and 3 multipliers are all stated in the daizenshuu which is official dragon ball material

@txdewac @yuya2welve @JordanLDurham It isn't a fact, it is never stated in the story at all and power levels aren't a thing by this point so you can't even measure the power levels to get an accurate multiplier like you can with SSJ1. It's something some outside material asserted based on nothing.

@yuya2welve @Emeralda_Chaos @JordanLDurham we know for a fact that ssj3 is a 4x multiplier of ssj2. so ssj3 goku is 4x stronger than majin vegeta at the very minimum

@Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham Super is irrelevant to this point since the whole point is that Super regressed Vegeta's character arc from Z so yeah, of course they ignored Vegeta's speech for the sake of having more Vegeta. Also, I think Vegeta knows his own capabilities better than you.

@Emeralda_Chaos @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham My point is, the series tells us, otherwise, even when you look at super for the most part, they're always evenly matched. How the fuck is goku, better than him

@Mflyboy5 @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham Winning was never his motivation, it was always fighting stronger opponents and improving himself. Also, he killed soldiers who were attacking and killing people, they needed to be stopped. Same for Tambourine and Drum. Goku barely kills.

@Emeralda_Chaos @MonkeyDLowery @JordanLDurham He literally fought in every world tournament with the intention of winning before he realized how strong gohan got, he wanted to beat cell and him killing hasn't always been the last resort. He killed a lot of red ribbon army soldiers, he killed tambourine, and he killed drum