Ok time for school.
“Barbarian” just meant non-Greek-speaking foreigner. Could be Africans, Persians, Thracians (European), Scythians (European/steppe), Germanic tribes (Northern European), everyone. It was not a modern racial term. Understand that first.
Now if you’re trying to imply Greeks viewed Africans as “uncivilized”, history says the COMPLETE opposite. Greeks saw Egypt as a land of ancient wisdom and learning. Herodotus traveled to Egypt to learn (didn’t travel to Belgium lol) while Homer described Ethiopians as the “blameless Ethiopians” favored by the gods.
Ironically, the foreign groups Greek and later Greco-Roman writers most commonly portrayed as wild, tribal, drunken, or uncivilized, were the northern European peoples like Scythians, Celts, and Germanic tribes…..NOT Africans.
@Luke88ZA@ParvumPrincipi@DIAS Well, i told you, you are not. Again the photos i gave you are of Egyptian Nubians who classified as Nubians not Arabs or mixed
@Felix_Doli@ParvumPrincipi@DIAS The concept was im lighter than most Sudanese people :)
Are you talking about people who you admitted that they are “mixed” and classified as Arab?????
@Luke88ZA@ParvumPrincipi@DIAS tf you talking about bruh?
The people in the photo look nothing like Nubians, i told you color doesn't matter, or East Asians would be the same as West Asians since they share the same freaking color.
you literally are on the other side of the continent
@Luke88ZA@ParvumPrincipi@DIAS What these two pictures supposed to prove?
Anyways, they can identify as whatever they want, it's not anyone's concern.
Being "Arab" is historically determined by speaking Arabic and adopting Arab customs.
They also mixed with Arabs. Or Arabs mixed with Nubians.
@Felix_Doli@ParvumPrincipi@DIAS Fact that you had to pull Sudanese who identified as “Arab tribes” to prove me is so funny😭, I hate this debate of skin-tone(because I’m colourist) but I hate to debunk you anywayyyy…
@ll8943007316805@mo_almsry@tinoyzx@8illba ضحكتني يحليلك تحسب لما اقول ما يتشابهون الفلسطينين والشام بكبره مع المصري الافريقي تتوقع اقصد شقار اتكلم بالملامح نفسه وجمجمة الافارقه واضحه واشكالهم معروفه من دون مايفتح فمه بحرف+ الاردن وفلسطين مافيهم كثير شقار اشكالكم بمضاهراتكم اكبر دليل على كلامي
@Luke88ZA@ParvumPrincipi@DIAS No they are not darker than you, and let's say they're, still you don't have the same facial features, color doesn't really matter.
@Luke88ZA@ParvumPrincipi@DIAS And what self-hate? they don't have inferiority complex if that what you mean.. They're proud of their history, that some people tryin to steal, I know them because i used to go to Aswan
@Luke88ZA@ParvumPrincipi@DIAS They were also depicted like this, all shades. And most Sudanese and southern Egyptians have dark to light skin, not pitch black. They have up to 60% West Eurasian DNA.
@LordElyndor@TrevorPat3@SilObs31@DIAS Also they knew nothing about Land of the Punt, it had faded into a semi-mythical, forgotten memory long ago. They knew nothing about Kingdom of Dʿmt either
@LordElyndor@TrevorPat3@SilObs31@DIAS Nubia is Kush. Axum wasn't even a thing at the time of Homer, my guy. Axum came much later.
Greeks said Meroe is the capital of Aethiopians.
Where is Meroe? Nubia.
When the Hebrew bible were translated to Greek, they translated Kush to Aethiopia.
@redieti_l9gj@SilObs31@DIAS Nope, Homer didn't even knew much about Horn of Africa's people at that time. He meant the people in the Upper Nile directly south of Egypt, not the Red Sea coast. Nubia is not landlocked. Also Greeks said the capital of Aethiopians are Meroe, which in Nubia.
@Felix_Doli@SilObs31@DIAS Aethiopia in classical antiquity included the Horn of Africa and the Red Sea coast not just Nubia. Even the Perseus and Andromeda myth places King Cepheus Aethiopia on the Red Sea coast with coral reefs not in landlocked Nubia
@ParvumPrincipi@DIAS No one said “Egyptians” were black in that sense but there was clearly some of Southern Origin.
He highlighted the 25th dynasty on purpose, established by King Piye of Kush, Kushites are dark skinned more than I am.
@SilObs31@DIAS define black
negro?
they were not negro
They had far more Caucasian DNA and minor almost non existent negro showing only a very slight admixture from central Africa.
During time of classical Greek writers (e.g., Herodotus in the 5th century BCE).
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