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@FoldMani

🧠 + 🖥️ = 👁️ | Tweeting here when my ADHD meds have stopped working | Officially descended into madness

Ether Katılım Nisan 2022
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I would like to kindly ask anyone or any journal that presents the results BEFORE the methods to just
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Chaos@FoldMani·
@QuantumTumbler I guess the main distinction between your approach to reasoning through it and mine is that I'm taking the position where the system must emerge from something, which means that I'm thinking about subsets of the systems you seem to be considering.
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@QuantumTumbler I agree with everything you're describing as a surviving system, but I claim that building it is either impossible or impractical. And I also make a less systems-focused, more here and now-focused, statement that our current systems are not surviving ones.
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What’s something everyone around you seems to believe… that you’re pretty sure is wrong?
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Chaos@FoldMani·
@AlisonbobEth @QuantumTumbler In that line, my claim is that we cannot construct surviving systems based on self-serving behaviors. And that while we might think our current systems are (because we are still alive), we are just in a transient state on the way to a non-surviving state.
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Chaos@FoldMani·
@AlisonbobEth @QuantumTumbler Well, let's swap "stable" with "surviving", perhaps it represents more what I'm trying to convey without having to be very specific about the quantity that we're defining stability for.
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Chaos@FoldMani·
@QuantumTumbler And my main claim is that what we're seeing is NOT a stable system, it's a system pre-collapse. My claim is that right now, we're on a trajectory that does not lead to survival.
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Chaos@FoldMani·
@QuantumTumbler The main mechanism is the accumulation of self-serving behaviors: it's not symmetrical noise because it compounds. If you let it run for long enough power accumulates in self-serving acts and you reach a breaking point of equilibrium where survival vanishes.
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Chaos@FoldMani·
@QuantumTumbler @AlisonbobEth Yes, in a world where individuals have perfect knowledge, well-behaving impulses, and organized actions this would all be true. In practice though, we have an open system where things like cognitive limitations create all kinds of noise, breaking stability.
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Yeah, that’s the key piece. Feedback loops don’t just shape the system they reshape the people inside it over time. So the model and the behavior co-evolve. Which is exactly why structure matters so much. If the loop rewards extraction, you get more of it. If it rewards maintenance, you get stability. So it’s not just iterative it’s directional. The incentives decide what the system converges toward.
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Chaos@FoldMani·
@QuantumTumbler As soon as you have an option where immediate (or perceived) win can be obtained by injecting self-serving into system designs it will break everything. To have a system that works it must already be implemented, constructing it fails in practice.
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Chaos@FoldMani·
@QuantumTumbler In theory you're right, and I don't disagree with that. In practice the environment does not allow this to exist because it's an open system and self-serving behaviors leak into system implementation. That's my main point.
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Chaos@FoldMani·
@TrueAIHound @kunalt12345 Hey don't get distracted: I don't care about your opinions, I was merely pointing contradictions in your behavior. The actual topic is uninteresting to me.
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AGIHound@TrueAIHound·
No more and no less than Tao. The man solved a math problem that is used in MRI. So what? Do you know how many problems engineers around the world solve every day? Does that make them experts in intelligence? Will Tao's math knowledge help solve the intelligence problem? The man doesn't even push back when that sci-fi fruitcake, Dwarkesh Patel, compared a human being, Kepler, to a "high-temperature LLM". He thought it was funny. This is inexcusable.
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AGIHound@TrueAIHound·
I have one question for Terence Tao: What has his work contributed to the well-being of humanity? Not that I'm against fancy math, mind you. I admire mathematicians. But what good is an AI that can do fancy math but can't walk into a random kitchen and boil an egg? Is it really intelligent? Me thinks not. 😀
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Terence Tao has won every award mathematics can give a human being. Fields Medal. Breakthrough Prize. MacArthur Genius Grant. He is widely regarded as the greatest living mathematician. Not one of. The greatest. He just said something that should terrify every university on Earth. Tao: “We live in a particularly unpredictable era. I think things that we’ve taken for granted for centuries may not hold anymore.” Not years. Not decades. Centuries. The assumptions governing who gets to contribute to knowledge have been in place longer than most nations have existed. Tao just told you those assumptions are dissolving. Tao: “The way we do everything, not just mathematics, will change.” This is not a man who deals in hyperbole. He builds arguments the way he builds proofs. Piece by piece. Nothing unverified. When he says everything, he means everything. Tao: “In math, you previously had to basically go through years and years of education, be a math PhD before you could contribute to the frontier of math research.” That was the contract. You give a decade of your life to an institution. You grind through coursework, committees, dissertation reviews, postdoc rotations. Then maybe you get to touch the boundary of what’s known. The entire system was built on that bottleneck. Time was the gate. Credentials were the key. Tao: “Now it’s quite possible at the high school level that you could get involved in a math project and actually make a real contribution because of all these AI tools.” A high schooler. Contributing to frontier mathematics. The same frontier that used to require a decade of institutional obedience to even approach. He said this about math. He already told you this applies to everything. AI didn’t just speed up the path. It removed the path entirely. The university sold you a ten-year toll road. AI just paved around it overnight. The toll booth operators haven’t realized yet that no one’s coming. Tao: “In many ways, I would prefer the much more boring, quiet era where things are much the same as they were ten years ago, 20 years ago.” This is the line that should haunt you. The smartest mathematician on the planet would rather this wasn’t happening. He is not selling this. He is not positioning himself for a funding round. The acceleration is so violent that even the mind best equipped to process it would prefer it stopped. If Tao is uncomfortable, you should be paying very close attention to your own assumptions about what’s coming. Tao: “The things that you study, some of them may become obsolete or revolutionized, but some things will be retained.” That word “some” is doing enormous work in that sentence. It means the rest won’t be. Entire fields that people spent their careers building will collapse. Not slowly. Not politely. And Tao is telling you he can’t predict which ones survive. Tao: “You should be open to very, very different ways of doing science, some of which don’t exist yet.” Most people will scroll past this. It’s the most important line in the entire clip. He’s not saying learn new tools. He’s not saying adapt your workflow. He’s saying the methods themselves haven’t been invented yet. The frameworks don’t exist. You cannot prepare for what hasn’t been created. You can only build the kind of mind that doesn’t break when the ground shifts beneath it. Tao: “It’s a scary time, but also very exciting.” He said scary first. Every tech founder says exciting first and mentions risk as a footnote. Tao reversed it. When the most brilliant mind of a generation leads with fear and follows with possibility, that is not optimism. That is a man telling you the truth about what’s coming while still choosing to walk toward it. The people who survive the next decade won’t be the ones with the best credentials. They’ll be the ones who stopped mourning the world that was and started building for the one that doesn’t exist yet.

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Chaos@FoldMani·
@TrueAIHound @kunalt12345 May I present you your question? "What has his work contributed to the well-being of humanity?"
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AGIHound@TrueAIHound·
@kunalt12345 So what? What does this have to do with solving AGI?
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Chaos@FoldMani·
@vineettiruvadi That makes no sense, you can't be younger than I am...
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@vineettiruvadi It's called censoring non-paying users. @elonmusk decided that freedom of speech only applies to people who give him money
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Chaos@FoldMani·
@KordingLab LLM praise feels too performative to me. It's too sensitive to the prompt for value judgements, so it just feels like the obama medal meme to me.
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Kording Lab 🦖@KordingLab·
Built explicit praise into my science writing feedback app. Felt embarrassing. Then I couldn't stop using it myself. Maybe the reason we don't celebrate small wins in science isn't that we don't want to — it's that nobody ever built the button.
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