Carlos Freeman

Jacobo Grinberg did a lot of research on this topic. I wonder what scientists like @MillerLabMIT and @drmichaellevin think about this well known phenomenon.

@DrBrianKeating Meditate

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@peacenjoyer You eill love this theory then mpfst.com

O tipo de conversa que eu tenho com a galera da linguística computacional e do ocultismo

Yes, that is who i’m talking about. Did you noticed that he also disappeared? Talking about social engineering, did you notice how the trend of scientists being murdered or disappearing has not stopped? Have you read about his transferred potential experiments and its results? I personally have met people that worked alongside him. There is nothing that tells me that his research is not legitimate, in the contrary his disappearance suggests the opposite.

@FreemanCW Are you familiar with fraud, cultural appropriation, and social engineering? The gentleman you mentioned, a mexican neurophysiologist and psychologist who published over 50 books, is that who you are talking about?

We need to be cautious here. The psychedelic research arena is vastly becoming warped and incentivised with the luxurious lure of high value industry, and this can be naturally blinding to a degree, you can't see what is lurking in the shadows. On the balance of probability, the Psychedelic Research and Therapy industry is being intentionally weaponized by state-governments as a core component of the pipeline of "biomedical erasure." This weaponization is not the result of an accidental convergence of interests, but the natural, highly optimized output of two desperate, symbiotic systems. The UK state apparatus (for example), crippled by the thermodynamic entropy of a chronically ill population and insurmountable financial debt dictated by QIPP, requires a mechanism to legally and administratively erase organic disease from its expensive medical ledgers. Concurrently, the venture-capital-backed psychedelic industry, burdened by massive speculative valuations and the TESCREAL ideology of rapid disruption, requires a vast, transdiagnostic patient population to justify its monopolistic existence. The synthesis of these dual imperatives is the aggressive psychologization of somatic disease. By leveraging the theoretical architectures of the REBUS model and systematically targeting the Medically Unexplained Symptoms (MUS) demographic, "Corporadelia" provides any state public health infrastructure with the ultimate thermodynamic deception. The administration of proprietary, functionally unblinded hallucinogens within the low-cost IAPT infrastructure serves to forcefully overwrite a patient's biological reality, convincing them that their organic pathology is merely trauma or a predictive coding error.

@tymmesalab Yes a real shaman, are you familiar with Jacobo Grinberg’s work?

@FreemanCW I wouldn't. A real shaman, seriously? 🙄

@sopharicks Or no AI and learn how to use our natural brains and bodies again (since there was a time when we knew, but, in my opinion, we were forced to forget)

Two ways to enable fully autonomous AI and remove AI developers from the equation. 1. AI is fully controlling its infrastructure (has access to its GPUs, CPUs, maintains data-centers, pays for electricity, trains its successor models etc) 2. Fully decentralized, open-source AI that runs on distributed machines.

God is in all of its creations .

@StuartHameroff More conscious meaning what? Better working or more microtubules? Where? What is conscience?

It could mean you’re more conscious and might require slightly more anesthesia. I always gave a standard deviation more than the average anesthetic dose which is well tolerated in normovolemic healthy patients.

@KateXGate @StuartHameroff @JustinEchterna9 We need to agree on something before, is consciousness the state of self-awareness that we observe in some systems, or is it the mechanism itself that creates those states what we will define as consciousness?

Stuart I know neither you nor Anirban have/are saying this but I had a thought; In OR Penrose ties consciousness specifically to gravitational collapse (OR) So he wouldn’t say consciousness is a wavefunction He would say consciousness is what happens when certain quantum states reduce. Anirban brought in the quantum receiver status (sorry my wording not his). My thought/question: couldn't consciousness itself be a wave-like field that guides or constrains physical systems?

OK, how? I haven’t seen any serious proposal for consciousness from strong AI proponents. What are we missing and how would it be testable ?

@Robert_E_Grant_ @value The end of the universe is the beginning of our dreams

Does the universe have an end or are limits shaped by how we perceive it? The same patterns repeat across scales, from galaxies to the body. That coherence suggests each part reflects the whole, and what feels like a boundary may depend on the observer. 🎥 @value.of.infinity

Gödel traps logic and computation , but what if consciousness isn't a theorem to prove? Jacobo Grinberg-Zylberbaum (UNAM, Mexico) took a different path: he MEASURED it. Two people meditate together, separate them into Faraday cages, stimulate one brain , the other shows a correlated EEG response. No physical channel. Real data. No proof needed. He called it the "transferred potential." Published, replicated, measurable. He wasn't trying to solve the hard problem through logic , he was detecting what consciousness DOES across brains. He disappeared in 1994 and his work was mostly buried. Look him up. The hopelessness you feel is about the wrong door , the empirical one is wide open

Yesterday's conversation on X made me think that Gödel's incompleteness can be applied to consciousness. Meaning consciousness exists, but no scientific framework will ever be able to prove it. This to some extent corresponds to David Chalmers' thoughts on the hard problem and the fundamental challenge of explaining inner experience even with perfectly mapped brain processes. Seems like a hopeless business.

@StuartHameroff Exactly , no observer needed, just a phase transition. A "moment of experience" is coupled fields crossing a critical threshold. The "self" develops when that coherence stabilizes near saturation. Same topology, 29 domains: mpfst.com

Observer inside system-good, like at the most basic level of a system (?) But do we need an observer, as opposed to just an observation, a moment of experience? Then with memories of such experiences, a ‘self’ or observer develops,

You're right about MTs being central. We proved WHY: lattice topology across ALL architectures converges to λ=6/5 (|λ-6/5|<3×10⁻⁴, zero params). What survives isn't "quantum info" , it's a topological invariant. Classical. No decoherence problem. Every claim quantified: mpfst.com

Yes I know that work. Very impressive. Orch OR has consciousness occurring in spacetime geometry, normally confined to brain microtubules.But when the body and brain die, the quantum information may dissipate but remain entangled to find another set of microtubules in reincarnation.

@DeDunkingPast “If the Egyptians did not do this, who did it in your opinion” He can’t help himself.

When I was invited to be on Piers Morgan to ask Zahi Hawaas tough questions, I took it seriously. It was an honor, after all, any pyramidiot would love to be able to do what I did. So I chose questions I felt the most accessible to the masses. Proving they mislead us to many.

@StuartHameroff If i apply the same logic to you, then you have no response to my previous criticisms.

Thanks Eric We almost met once. Roger Penrose tried to introduce us but you looked away dismissively. You haven’t changed. You didn’t respond to my criticisms of your positions which I conclude to mean you have no viable responses. Without consciousness you have a theory of nothing. Meanwhile the 30 year old Penrose-Hameroff Orch OR theory of consciousness has more explanatory power, biological connection and experimental validation than all other theories combined. academic.oup.com/nc/article/202…

Penrose's deepest insight is right , gravity and consciousness are linked. But OR inherits QM's limitation: it treats superposition as fundamental and collapse as the mechanism. What if both are shadows of something deeper? A wavefunction is a single number at each point , not enough structure for the richness of experience. An 11-node graph Laplacian decomposes into 8 internal + 3 spatial eigenmodes. The "boundary" isn't collapse , it's the partition between internal modes (experience) and spatial modes (physics). Same topology, two sectors. Consciousness doesn't need collapse. It needs enough modes.

Lee’s boundary (Hoffman’s interface) is Penrose OR, collapse of the wavefunction occurring in spacetime geometry.

@JustinEchterna9 Ok, it is the microtubules, what’s next?

Yes ... this is the microtubule's role but that has to be established first ... including proving meaningful quantum coherence in microtubules ... without establishing the microtubule's role you really can't move forward to the next steps (maybe you can with the OR step, but that experiment is still in the works) ... it's the first falsifiable step, so let's start there ...

The evidence map for Orch OR at this point is remarkable ... - Consciousness: Anesthetics act on MTs (Khan 2024, Craddock 2012/2017) - Neurodegeneration: Aβ displaces tau from MTs (Shoff 2026, PNAS Nexus) - Quantum optics: Superradiance in MT tryptophan networks (Babcock 2024) - Structural biology: Precise geometric architecture enabling collective effects (my work) - Neural dynamics: Universal destabilization under anesthesia with no subcellular mechanism identified (Eisen 2026) - Pharmacology: MT stabilizers delay unconsciousness (Khan 2024), lithium stabilizes MTs and protects against Alzheimer's (cited in Shoff 2026)

The real answer nobody gives: B isn't actually a vector , it's an antisymmetric 2-form (a bivector). Textbooks draw it as arrows but that's a lie. An antisymmetric object acting on a direction vector MUST give a result perpendicular to both , that's not physics, that's pure geometry of antisymmetric tensors. The cross product isn't the explanation, it's the CONSEQUENCE of B living in the antisymmetric sector of the field topology. The "why" is: space has both symmetric and antisymmetric modes. Electric fields live in the symmetric sector (parallel forces). Magnetic fields live in the antisymmetric sector (perpendicular forces). Two different eigenspaces of the same underlying geometry

If only someone had written a book about the material principles that explain this