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@DavoustBaldPate Attending a class is not the same thing as joining a church… I know it’s a hard concept. I have attended Sunday school with 15 different denominations… That doesn’t make me a member of them. Maybe adjust your original lying post to say “attended a class” but you won’t.

@Gazelem3723 utlm.org/mormon-prophet…

Wordy, but an easy way to defeat any Mormon.

@DavoustBaldPate Lolololol from ULMinistry… I notice no ORIGINAL source which was the question… not a BS halfassed claim from an anti Mormon website. Show me where a PhD historian says he joined the Methodist Church. I said I wanted actual sources not BS commentary. I see you have none

@JJ2086915 Question for you: Name the state that literally barred all Mormons from having voting rights in its original constitution: Idaho. Wonder why Mormons would be sensitive there….

Mormons in Idaho voted for the Rino governor because his opponent said the truth ages ago that they are not Christians. That’s how the LDS run states. It’s why Utah is in such decline. Feels > Truth

@BasicBaptistGuy @KalenWilliams_ Man,this is the best demonstration of atotal lack of understanding of the academic historical method that I’ve ever seen.I will be able to teach my classes what not to do with how bad your takes are.”Luke is not an independent witness of Christ because he was in league with Mark”

@KalenWilliams_ Again, just another statement from a guy who was assisting Smith with the process. He is a close associate, he is not an independent witness. And we already know he is lying because Whitmer and Harris said that Smith used a rock in the hat. Now he has been caught in a lie.

Mormon - There are 20 witnesses that held the gold plates. Me - Ok where are the written and signed statements from these people. Mormon - So you deny the moon landings? Me…

@Jesus_Is_YHWH @ThoughtfulSaint Lolol yeah that’s from the Bible…. Apparently you can just make 💩 up now? Sola Scriptura + whatever else I want to say…. “By their fruits ye shall know them… unless they have a different understanding of homousian….”

@ThoughtfulSaint Doctrines of Demons may produce temporal goodness in terms that the flesh understands, but they lead to spiritual death.

Why does this evil tree produce so much good?

@dmh1125 How to defeat any creedal Christian: Did your God create 11 billion people out of nothing but give them immortal spirits knowing that they would burn in the eternal hell he created forever but made their spirits eternal anyway so that they would suffer forever? For his glory….?

Why would we have any problem answering that?

@PearlKevinPrice And you apparently refuse to acknowledge the no PhD historian accepts your beta chat bot weak explanation for the origin. If it was obvious,Harvard and Yale professors would win Pulitzer Prizes writing books about it. What did Daniel Walker Howe say? You don’t know, which tracks

Mormons refuse to acknowledge the possibility of Joseph Smith having prepares for months or years before dictating the Book of Mormon. Against Edward’s wishes I asked his own question to Gemini and I am even more convinced that Smith deeply rehearsed the BoM. Read what AI said:

@nikiped1aV2 @joyinbecomingp1 I agree… Conservatives know they are conservative, if you ask them they say they are conservative. Liberals don’t think they are liberal they think they are right. So they can’t separate politics from their religion because liberalism is the “the truth” not an ideology.

@Gazelem3723 @joyinbecomingp1 none of that leftist talking point garbage should even be discussed, especially during sunday school. She shouldnt be in position to "teach" others if that is legitimtely the case

Why I struggle with relief society and have for years ….

@surskitmaxxing Yeah too bad Paul taught it… must have stole it from the Mormons… I always knew Paul was evil….

"Milk before meat" is a popular thought-stopping device in Mormonism It lets you frame the church hiding or omitting anything troubling as them just not putting too much weight on the bar of a gym rookie, and it lets you frame yourself as wise and experienced for having the meat

@KarltheMD @John_Stone_ My point is you couldn’t possibly know the credentials of the people that have demonstrated this historically because you didn’t even know the credentials of the person that you were citing. You have not deeply studied this. You have YouTube studied this and that is not academic.

I understand the academic world. I have a BS in Zoology, and minors in history, English and Biochemistry. I also have an MD and a Board Certified Anesthesiologist. Let’s see if you can understand my position. The defenders of the Joseph Smith was a polygamist narrative, like you, site the academic “Church Historians” that currently support the Joseph was a polygamist narrative. My point, listen carefully, is that when credentialed historians begin to make the very easy case that Joseph wasn’t a polygamist, what are you going to do at that point? You can say that hasn’t happened yet, but it will. Personally, I don’t care what the credentialed historian class has to say about it. I have published in peer review journals. I understand the process. I’m totally capable of coming to my own conclusions without the approval of history academics. Again, can you prove that Joseph was a polygamist without an appeal to authority or sighting testimonials that came after Joseph’s death? You cannot. Nobody can. I simply believe Joseph and Emma. I’m moving on. I’ll let you have the last snarky, discombobulated response.

As a new Orthodox Christian who was born and raised in a devout LDS household, there is a stark difference between Mormonism and Orthodox Christianity that has been weighing on my mind heavily lately. The difference is how Mormonism and Orthodox Christianity prioritize the truth versus the preservation of mortal life. I am reminded of the Christian student at Columbine High School who, seconds before she was shot, was asked: “Do you believe in God?” Her truthful “yes” answer resulted in her being shot. Having grown up in a devout LDS family, my sense is that most Mormons would justify, excuse, or rationalize away a dishonest “no” answer to that question by arguing that such dishonesty would have been justified to avoid physical harm and/or loss of life. By contrast, as an Orthodox Christian, I understand there has been 2,000 years of history of honest Christian martyrs refusing to deny Christ at the cost of their lives. The lesson there is that the truth is more important than the preservation of mortal life. Orthodox Christians know that death is an illusion. Thanks to Christ, there is no death. So, we cannot feel justified in lying to avoid the illusion of death. Truth must prevail, at all costs, including the cost of our own mortal lives. And Christ is the Truth. This major difference in how Mormonism and Orthodox Christianity respectively prioritize truth versus the preservation of mortal life has major implications. When Mormon apologists attempt to justify Joseph Smith lying to his wife and his followers by dishonestly denying his secret practice of polygamy, arguing that honesty about his secret polygamy would have cost him his life—i.e., prioritizing the preservation of his mortal life above his speaking the truth—Orthodox Christians are understandably unconvinced. They know about the countless Christian martyrs who, for 2,000 years, prioritized speaking the truth above the preservation of their mortal lives.

@KarltheMD @John_Stone_ And also probably shouldn’t throw a rock through your glass window about snarkiness when are going to drop things like “listen carefully“ you are the one rejecting all academic consensus, and every teaching of every prophet since Joseph and calling Eliza Snow a liar.

@KarltheMD @John_Stone_ Do you believe that Joseph Smith had Moses, Elias, and Elijah appear to him? Do you belive that Joseph taught that marriage was eternal? If you do, neither of those things are in Joseph’s handwriting they are from journals kept by his scribes… do you reject those teachings?

@KarltheMD @John_Stone_ You don’t require that from history because you think you know things that you’ve never been trained in. So don’t cite your credentials if you aren’t going to recognize them from other people. I’m not sure why you have a problem with church historians… it’s every historian.

@KarltheMD @John_Stone_ If I were posting on here about a way to perform anesthesia that you knew was not scientifically viable you would not just sit there and say “eventually people will prove that that anesthesia method will work… “ you would want the field to give its approval…

@KarltheMD @John_Stone_ So you think his scriptural stance is significant but the fact that he believes Joseph practiced and taught polygamy is not…. How do you decide when he is right and when he is wrong? Answer: whenever you feel like it.

You are correct. Don Bradley has a masters degree in history from Utah State, not a Phd. Nevertheless, his work is primarily what the Church uses in the Gospel Topic essays on polygamy. I think it is significant that he does not support scriptural justification for polygamy, especially in Jacob. I only care what Joseph said about polygamy. Not what someone said he said or did after he was dead. You can’t prove Joseph practiced polygamy. Go ahead. Prove it. Nobody can. Quoting “Church historians” is not proof.

@KarltheMD @John_Stone_ “Go ahead and prove something but you can’t use any of the established academic methods of proof to do it.” How flat is that earth you are on?

@KarltheMD @John_Stone_ LOL so you went from “you had a historian” to now they don’t matter. Solid foundation. So they mattered when you thought you were right and stopped when you were wrong.