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@LJersey77 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow No, not in the way you frame it. We trust Christ alone, but that trust includes His warnings about falling away. The “YES or NO” binary is a Protestant trap. We say: “By God’s mercy, I am in Christ and strive to remain.”

Can you profess that you, right now have eternal life and that you have passed from death unto life? Yes or No? If you say Yes that right now have eternal life and that you have passed from death unto life, You confess Christ alone; That YOU can not lose your salvation because your trust is in Christ alone, If you don't say Yes, You are NOT saved. 1 John 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." John 5:24 "He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." YES or NO???

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@LJersey77 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow These verses promise assurance to those abiding in Christ through living faith, not a one-time decision guaranteeing future sin without consequence. “He who endures to the end will be saved.”

"I said one can lose their salvation." Exactly, You are trusting in YOU, You are not saved. Can you profess that you, right now have eternal life and that you have passed from death unto life? Yes or No? If you say Yes that right now have eternal life and that you have passed from death unto life, You confess Christ alone; That YOU can not lose your salvation because your trust is in Christ alone, If you don't say Yes, You are not saved. 1 John 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." John 5:24 "He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

@LJersey77 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow I just showed you God’s word, you denied it.

@GeoffKlein3 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow "that YE (YOU) may know that ye have eternal life" You've yet to profess this truth of God's word, But continue to deny it.

@LJersey77 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow I didn’t call myself unsaved, I said one can lose their salvation. That’s what Holy Writ says. I don’t trust in myself, I am a sinner in need of Gods mercy. You call me unsaved and lost for being Biblical. I believe you should rethink that assumption.

No, dude, You called yourself unsaved. You are trusting in you, That leaves you lost and unsaved, When and if you trust in Christ alone for your salvation and know that you are saved now and forever as God's word states, Then you are saved: 1 John 5:13 "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." If you don't know that you HAVAE eternal life, You are not saved as YOU are trusting in SELF, As YOU stated by your own admission:

@LJersey77 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow That’s a false dichotomy based on your suppositions. You must first demonstrate that your assumptions are true based on the Scriptures themselves. Also, you keep calling me unsaved when I told you my faith is in Christ, therefore you’re in a performative contradiction.

@GeoffKlein3 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow "You can lose your salvation." Then you believe in works, Self, and trust in your sinful flesh, Thank you for clearing that up. You are not saved then.

@LJersey77 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow You can lose your salvation. The Bible says you can. Keep explaining away God’s word, but Hebrews is very clear.

@GeoffKlein3 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow You don't by your own admission.

@robotic_faith Thanks 🫡

@GeoffKlein3 I must admit this is impressive work, Geoff. Thanks.

@LJersey77 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow I do trust in God. My guy.

"If I told you that I love my wife and you discovered I was having an affair, you wouldn’t believe my earlier declaration about my wife." Your sin doesn't take away your standing as a married man. That's the very point you don't understand. I have torn bibles up and thrown them out the car window while cursing God along my 30 year walk with Christ, But, I remained a child of God, Praise God, As He never gave up on me and drew me back to Him each and every time. Dude, Just trust in God.

@LJersey77 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow Read what you said carefully. “There is a must to obey God” - good that’s what we say. Then you criticize us for saying it.

I'll leave you with this, Read it carefully, Especially the first sentence, I pray for your soul, dude, I truly do: There is absolutely a "must" to obey God for those who are saved, The difference is why, God's Word teaches that obedience is the fruit of salvation: Ephesians 2:8–10 (KJV) "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy make obedience part of the root, Scripture teaches that we obey because we are God's children, Not in order to become or remain His children, An adopted child obeys his father because he is already a son, Not to earn his place in the family.

@LJersey77 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow I’d encourage you to read on my stance before you laugh it off like some hyena. If I told you that I love my wife and you discovered I was having an affair, you wouldn’t believe my earlier declaration about my wife. Same principle applies here.

@GeoffKlein3 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow "and I also believe" LOL, That is literally laughable.

@LJersey77 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow You're twisting my words and the words of God. Every accusation is a confession.

"I affirm salvation is entirely by God’s grace." Yup, Then right into works: "But Scripture shows that grace calls for our ongoing cooperation in faith, repentance, and obedience." You're not saved if you are trusting in Self to keep your salvation, If fact, If you're trusting in Self, You are not saved. You don't wanna stand before God and boast that YOU kept your salvation.

No, I’m not trusting in myself. I trust in Christ. I believe salvation is by God’s grace, and I also believe the Bible when it warns believers to “make every effort to enter through the narrow door” (Luke 13:24), to “continue in the faith” (Col 1:23), and that we can be “severed from Christ” (Gal 5:4).

@GeoffKlein3 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow You're not, You're appealing to the sinful flesh and twisting God's Holy word to please your sinful flesh. If you think it's up to you to keep your salvation, You are not saved, As you are trusting in Self.

I haven’t rejected God’s Word, I’m trying to take all of it seriously: both the promises of security and the serious warnings. If you want to end the conversation, that’s fine. But claiming I reject Christ or His Word is unfair. I affirm salvation is entirely by God’s grace. But Scripture shows that grace calls for our ongoing cooperation in faith, repentance, and obedience. We are saved by grace, not by a one-time legal transaction apart from a living relationship with Christ.

@GeoffKlein3 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow Explained with God's word, You rejected the clear teaching of God's word. We're done here. You're on your own.

@robotic_faith x.com/GeoffKlein3/st…

Serious clarifying question(not an argument): For the NOT worshipping the same God thing. Is your stance *roughly* like this: (Within the brackets are the attributes of God. Using variables for this...) Catholic God:{ A, B, C } EO God:{ A, B, D } And, the only thing that could make them the same God is if they were the exact same attributes.(both A,B,C or both A,B,D).

I refer you to my opener; how can two groups be worshiping the same God when one denies who He is?This confusion is compounded by two other major innovations Rome added after the Great Schism: the Filioque (unilaterally changing the Creed) and Papal Infallibility, doctrines unknown to the undivided early Church and rejected by the East. These changes raise a serious question: if Rome has altered fundamental doctrines the early Church never held, can it still claim to be the unchanged “one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church”? Orthodoxy has preserved the faith of the Apostles and the Seven Ecumenical Councils without these additions.

I’m simply taking the Bible’s warnings seriously. Brushing the dust off your feet and declaring I reject Christ is a big leap. I affirm Christ as the only Savior and eternal life as a gift. We simply disagree on whether a believer can turn away from that gift. I’m happy to keep discussing God’s Word if you are. If not, peace to you.

@GeoffKlein3 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow I just explained what this means using the word of God, You insist on adding Self, the flesh, and boasting. You're on your own, dude. Truly, I brush the dust from my feet regarding your rejection of Christ, alone, And His word.

@LJersey77 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow Hebrews 6:4–6 describes people who were: Enlightened, tasted the heavenly gift, shared in the Holy Spirit, tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come …and then fell away.

@LJersey77 @Xavier_DMercy @Sacramentshow You are assuming the security passages must be read as “unconditional and irreversible no matter what."

It's right there! lol For it is impossible to renew to repentance those who were once enlightened, who tasted the heavenly gift, who shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who tasted God’s good word and the powers of the coming age, 6 and who have fallen away. This is because, to their own harm, they are recrucifying the Son of God and holding him up to contempt.

"I am reading Scripture; A person can be enlightened, taste the heavenly gift, and share in the Holy Spirit, then fall away (Hebrews 6:4-6)." Hebrews 6 never says these people were born again, justified, sealed by the Holy Spirit, or given eternal life, It says they were enlightened, Tasted the heavenly gift, And, Were partakers of the Holy Spirit, But experiencing God's work is NOT the same as being regenerated, Judas experienced Christ's ministry, miracles, and the power of the Holy Spirit, yet Jesus called him a devil John 6:70, The passage also says they tasted the heavenly gift, You can taste something without fully receiving it, The writer deliberately avoids the language he uses elsewhere for those who are truly saved, It's weird how desperate your sinful flesh's desire is to save itself.