@ReformedToRome @MateyYanakiev Vicarious means Jesus did it on behalf of us. PSA means he did it instead of us. Which one is Ephraim saying here?
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@MateyYanakiev Vicarious ≠ Protestant PSA even though most conflate the two as the same thing.
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"Replacement Theology" is a slur at this point. Some of the strongest "replacement" theologians are Jewish Christians who are proud of their heritage lol.
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How do I make enough money so I can visit all the Orthodox countries and churches.
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@account_plain not it's not. people who support israel for religious reasons will hand wave and say "I don't agree with EVERYTHING they do" and then believe their narrative on everything they do.
the second, is true. but you know i was talking about the first.
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@IFFFMEISTER It's a false dilemma.
People who support Israel for religious reasons include all of the above as part of Israel.
People who support Israel for other reasons (moral, political etc) do much the same, but are more prepared to be critical of the government.
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when evangelicals say we must support israel, why doesn't this include israelis who are against the policies of Netanyahu? why doesn't this include non-zionist israelis? what about two-state israelis? why does it HAVE to be the regime? can anyone tell me
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respectfully i don't think you've ever read the bible
Ahmed Hassan 🇾🇪 أحمد حسن زيد@Ahmed_hassan_za
Jesus, peace be upon him, was a resistance fighter. He was the leader of the resistance in his time.
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@dsaorthocaucus an evangelical or protestant woman who is curious and isn't anti-catholic/orthodox is actually a really safe bet for those guys
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i see a lot of parish guys worried about finding orthodox wives but i think you should find a regular wife who is broadly aligned with your morals and not be so anxious and dire about her converting.
it'll happen naturally overtime as long as you not a dick about it
Bible Illustrated ☦️@banterwithb
What position would get you into this dating opinion???
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@xagreat Paul didn't write half the bible, and he met jesus. also, muhammad never met jesus either. log off
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Paul never met Jesus, but he wrote half of the Bible.
Lol
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@PersonhoodDad @Just4Tweets1986 literally just go on @TheOrthoEnsign profile and read all the quotes. you've been lied to
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@IFFFMEISTER @Just4Tweets1986 Who told you that? Please don’t listen to that person again. They aren’t honest.
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I love the Eastern Orthodoxy's view on the Atonement of Christ.
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Four hours. Three passages. No Romans 3. No 1 Peter. No Dositheus. No Philaret.
No acknowledgment that the Orthodox confessional tradition itself, in its own officially ratified documents, uses the language of ransom, propitiation, and satisfaction.
One novel, modern theological school presented as universal, binding Orthodox dogma. Disgusting.
Their own tradition's documents contradict them.
Repent and believe the Gospel.
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A panel spent 4 hours claiming to deliver the "ultimate refutation" of Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA).
They cited 3 scriptural passages. Three. It's like they hate Scripture.
Here is what they avoided. 🧵
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CleavetoAntiquity@C2Antiquity
LIVE Tomorrow 8pm est. The ULTIMATE Refutation of Penal Substitutionary Atonement. Fr Stephen De Young and @The_Idol_Killer join to discuss PSA. Is it Nestorian? What did the reformers teach about it? And MORE! (LIKE / SHARE / BE THERE) 👇
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@Fair_and_Biased most christians throughout history have believed in covenant theology, so if fruit is the argument, then you are very wrong
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The greatest evidence against Replacement Theology is its rotten fruit.
All the worst Jew haters who claim Jesus also claim that they have replaced the Jews.
They resent the Jews for still calling themselves the chosen people.
The reality is that the New Testament does teach that unbelieving Jews are broken branches – but they are broken from THEIR OWN TREE.
And we are grafted into THEIR TREE.
Not ours. Theirs.
Which is why we are warned by Paul against arrogance.
And God can graft them in again- because they are the natural branches, and the promises were made to them.
Zachary Hunt✝️@zacharyhunt90
The church is not the "new Israel." Christians are not the "new Jews." There are Gentile believers in Jesus, and there are Jewish believers in Jesus. This is the church. Israel remains a literal nation of ethnic people who God made an unconditional covenant with, and no man's twisting of scripture will change that. This is the truth.
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@saltypsych @Fair_and_Biased @finn20142017 the only aspect of dispensationalism that goes back to the apostolic fathers (church fathers right after the apostles) is premillennialism and end time 3rd temple. but much of the rest does not
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Some aspects shared with dispensationalism can be traced back to early Christians but it's historically inaccurate to say early Christians were all dispensationalists. Some held to premillenialism, but this is not the same thing as dispensationalism (though dispensationalism is premillenial). I agree there are many people now that are misrepresenting dispensationalism and for nefarious reasons, some I think intentionally confusing all forms of it with radical dispensationalism. But Protestants need to let the early church be the early church and avoid misrepresenting the different views held by it. Catholics consistently claim the early church was unified in certain Catholic doctrines in a way that doesn't hold up historically, anachronistically reading aspects of Roman Catholic theology back into the early church, so just offering a friendly reminder that we should avoid doing the same.
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Hi- “dispensationalist” here!
No, we do not view support for the modern state of Israel as doctrinal imperative.
We do believe the reformation of Israel was prophetically significant.
And interestingly, extreme hatred toward that nation is prophetically significant, too.
Father V@father_rmv
The modern State of Israel is a secular political entity, distinct from the biblical concept of Israel. The Church does not view support for this state as a doctrinal imperative, unlike certain Protestant interpretations influenced by Dispensationalism, which link biblical prophecy to contemporary geopolitical obligations. Bottom line: There is no theological or canonical requirement for Catholics to support the State of Israel in a partisan or absolute manner.
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@Fair_and_Biased @finn20142017 no, this is false. people are abusing the fact that several early church fathers were premillennial, but that doesn't make them dispensational.
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@finn20142017 Right – what they call dispensationalism can be tracked all the way back to the first Christians.
And they define it so very poorly.
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@finn20142017 @Fair_and_Biased but all of that is literally true
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@Fair_and_Biased I’m getting exhausted with how people are misinterpreting dispensationalism (and it’s not just Israel) and saying it’s also a new phenomenon since the 1800’s. Tbh I’ve never had to try to even deal with this until 6 months ago, nor never heard of this Darby bloke until recently.
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@zacharyhunt90 we're not the new israel, the jewish people stopped being a part of spiritual israel. they still have a historical connection to YHWH, but not a covenantal one
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The church is not the "new Israel."
Christians are not the "new Jews."
There are Gentile believers in Jesus, and there are Jewish believers in Jesus. This is the church.
Israel remains a literal nation of ethnic people who God made an unconditional covenant with, and no man's twisting of scripture will change that.
This is the truth.
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