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This argument by @deanwball is being badly misunderstood. It's OK to disagree with it, but first you have to actually understand what he's saying. He's saying: releasing the weights for a frontier-level model is effectively dumping. Dumping is when you sell a product at significantly below cost in order to corner market share. It's illegal. The reason: dumping results in short-term consumer surplus, but long-term it prevents the formation of a competitive market and discourages capex outside of the dumper. Standard Oil famously did this in order to consolidate the oil market before it was broken up. So why is he claiming releasing the weights of a frontier level model is basically dumping? Isn't he just describing open source? His argument: it's not financially sustainable to train a frontier model and release the weights. In the long run, you will not be able to internalize enough of the gains given the cost of training a frontier model, because neoclouds and other inference providers will be able to outcompete you at actually serving the model. It costs an astronomical amount of money to train frontier models, and if everyone else can serve them, you don't capture enough of the surplus to pay for the training and R&D. It's not like normal open source when you build some software and then release it and sell services on top of it. The amount of capex required for frontier-level models is an order of magnitude higher than normal software, which is why doing this at frontier level is so economically irrational. Right now the Hong Kong stock market is ebullient enough that Chinese AI companies are not getting punished for the fact that they're all deeply, deeply unprofitable. Releasing model weights is great marketing, intellectually appealing, and strikes fear into the hearts of their opponents. We can assume the status quo continues for a while because of the AI supercycle. But eventually the AI market will correct, the Hong Kong market will dump, and suddenly these Chinese labs won't be able to afford to training super expensive models without internalizing more of the gains. But what if China, seeing that this strategy is successfully kneecapping the US lead (by discouraging further capex and lowering valuations), says no--don't stop. And so the Chinese government starts buying up the shares of these companies and demanding that they continue releasing frontier-level weights, profitable or not. In that case, it becomes a genuine space race. For-profit companies cannot continue to compete on either side. US labs valuations fall, and the White House realizes that to keep their advantage in the AI race, they cannot rely on the free market to maintain their lead. They nationalize the labs and fund them off government subsidies. Now you have government-controlled and distributed models on both sides. That's what Dean is calling the "dystopian hellscape." The best analogy is drug development: if China were to sell American drugs back to us really cheaply, that would result in a large short-term consumer surplus. Cheap Viagra and Ozempic is obviously great. But in the long run, this would discourage investment in developing new drugs. That's the sense that Dean is saying it's long-term "decel." Now, I happen to disagree with Dean. I think the consumer surplus of having frontier-level open weight models is huge, even at the current capabilities. I also think China is going to defect from this strategy soon (there's been reporting along these lines, that Beijing will stop allowing large models to be open-weight; I think there are other reasons for this aside from competition). I also suspect that nationalization of labs is inevitable as they take on more geopolitical and cyber capabilities. But he's not wrong--releasing frontier-level weight models is weird. The question of how long this market will remain profit-driven is a very coherent question to ask.


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I’m afraid to tell you that it is effectively impossible to do the kind of writing I used to do on this website, not because anyone at OpenAI censors me but because of the sheer volume of hostility I get for sharing my analysis as a frontier lab employee.
I enjoyed writing quick takes on this website for one basic reason: I could get rapid feedback on my own ideation process in real time. Post the early version of the take here, see the criticism; then refine, sharpen, and repeat. Unfortunately now that feature of this site is gone, because the feedback I get is now almost exclusively colored by resentment at the fact that I work at a frontier lab or other forms of hatred for my employer. The feedback signal is essentially useless now, so writing on here is not fruitful for me anymore.
Literally everything I write now is responded to with “of course you said that because





one moment she’s your crush the next thing you know she’s biting the shit outta you

This Sunday I got my first vape pen. I was at a shithole town in texas with no coffee and wanted stimulants. I hit that shit constantly for 3 days straight until I decided to get my life together last night and threw it away Yall really be getting addicted to this? Damn lol



FYI that America’s moronic visa policy is almost certainly a factor in why Kimi/Moonshot is a Chinese startup and not an American one. The fact that we don’t staple a green card to every AI PhD completed in America is stupid. would be more logical to seize their passports and force them to stay

kimi’s founder & ceo got his phd at cmu. why didn’t he stay in america?!


Even more disturbing than Tate’s shirt…is the dude with NO HEAD in the background

🚨 BREAKING: Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate have been ARRESTED by US Marshals in Miami after UK authorities lodged 38 ADDITIONAL charges against them for alleged “sexuaI offenses” The two brothers will now be extradited to the UK to face legal proceedings. Andrew and Tristan were both recently in Washington, DC and even met with members of Congress. Now, they’re in federal custody.













