Immaculate

Just a reminder, the NCAA proposal that allowed for football conference championship games was first passed in 1987. There weren't even major conferences with 12 teams at the time yet that is what was included in the rule. They created a rule to entice expansion. That expansion started in 1990 with Penn State and has continued to this day. Now we see the Membership Committee putting together a proposal for an Autonomy Subdivision in football to give to The Cabinet for vote. When that happens, there will once again be movement but it will happen much more quickly this time around.

@BenForgard @BeavsOfSoCal @HEROSportsNews @KcSmurthwaite Sorry.

@ImmaculateView @BeavsOfSoCal @HEROSportsNews @KcSmurthwaite Man, this isn’t it. Sad day when Immaculate stoops this low. Historically excellent takes, intelligent banter, clever retorts, stooping to this delivery. Have to assume you were hacked or having a bad day offline because this gutter is beneath you.

Bowl games still carry value. But for many schools, the financial upside is limited. If a new G6 postseason model can provide better access and better revenue, the market will eventually push schools in that direction. Via @KcSmurthwaite: herosports.com/fbs-cfp-access…

No, they eventually wont be. I know this is something that some folks really like to tell themselves but its not happening. The votes wont be there because once that starts, when does it end? Once those are gone, then that next tier up of schools no longer have those schools to vote with them to block a similar vote against them. The votes are not there and will never be there for reasons of self preservation by the middle tier of those conferences.

@ImmaculateView Belong is a strong word. Eventually those teams will be voted out leaving just the top teams in a P2. Losing to the Rutgers would likely be worse than a top G6

I say quite a bit here that I am sure some G fans are not going to like. I think quite a few will though. It's time to be rational and reasonable about the situation. Everything that so many fear happens if this split happen, all of that is already happening.

@Pac12cougs Because they already belong and the conferences are not voting them out. I am sorry, its absolutely not fair but it is what it is.

@ImmaculateView Why should teams like Rutgers, cal, Stanford, Kansas, Colorado, Syracuse, Boston college…and so many more get a chance at competing in the CFP when they are losing teams and have been. The gap between the top G6 and the bottom of the P4 isn’t really a gap at all

Right now, your entire conference has a 1% stake in the CFP and that's the percentage of revenue payout that you get. You get that because 1 or 2 G teams get into the playoff in a year so you dont provide that much to it. On top of that, the CFP can look at Notre Dame last year and see how much more they would have made for the whole if they were there instead of one of the two G's. On the other hand, if the G's take part in a second tournament that the CFP puts on then you are bringing a lot more to the table for the whole and have a solid argument that your ownership stakes should rise. So the CFP as a whole makes more which means a higher payout goes to your conference and then your school. Also, instead of just 1 to 2 teams getting visibility you may have upwards of 12-14 teams having visibility. So not just do you get more money but you have much better chances to actually retain athletes that might have offers to go elsewhere. As it stands now, A4 programs dont even need to offer more to get a player to come over because the visibility and opportunity to be seen is so bad at the G level. So this would help to fix both the money issue and the visibility issue.

I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating. I’m only interested in a G6 playoff if the conferences and schools are getting the same or more media coverage and dollars as they do now. That’s all I care about. Is my school getting paid?

@TBM_JY @1BroncoBeliever Didnt you know JY? Angry online posters know better than the Commissioners and all the information available to them.

@1BroncoBeliever Every G6 commissioner that has spoken about this publicly (at least to my knowledge) has said they think a G6 playoff is worth looking into, after the CFP field is chosen. Also, be prepared for a possible shift in subdivisions in the next several years.

I don’t promote vulgarity very often but I’ll make an exception for this. Anyone promoting a G6 playoff either has no idea that it would relegate those teams to obscurity or they know and are trying to remove the annoying & persistent thorn from their side that is the G6

The natural state of athletics is the desire to play against like-programs. This is why NDSU moved up, they weren't playing with like institutions. Their competitive piers are mostly in the G6. Otherwise, the playoff model they had was really good. When the G6 has no hope of winning a championship, they're not playing with like-institutions.

@BeavsOfSoCal @HEROSportsNews @KcSmurthwaite and that right there gets you what I promised. goodbye.

@ImmaculateView @HEROSportsNews @KcSmurthwaite Someone is hangry

This is for YOUR naive ass. It's already going to fucking happen whether you fucking like it or not you soft motherfucker. How about that? You like that kind of "conversation"? So you either get what you can now in the transition phase or you go kicking and screaming like a child as you get dragged to bed without your fucking desert. Deal with fucking reality and get the best deal you possibly can now while you still have something to fucking offer. OSU and WSU still have a chance at moving up and that time is coming soon but if it doesnt happen, you need to make the most of this time right now. Bullshit arguments like what you have been saying, they wont do a damn thing for you. This pathway was started the moment in August when the rest of D1 gave the A4 the power to do this. Recognize that and stop being so damn naive yourself.

@ImmaculateView @HEROSportsNews @KcSmurthwaite So after years of rational conversation with you, and I disagree with this really poor take, its blocking? That is soft G5 in CFP will create parity, the one thing SEC & B1G don't want.. but yeah think the G5 breaking off on its own is great for the D1 schools is stupidly naive

I love when people like you use a word like "equally". I never said equally and it doesnt need to be equally. That doesnt mean its FCS level either. I think its laughable that you call me naive. One more comment like that and you wont have to worry about seeing anymore of my "naive" takes.

@ImmaculateView @HEROSportsNews @KcSmurthwaite Absolutely naive take That you actually think, that after years of ESPN / Fox purposefully trying to kill off viewership to everything other than 50 schools, all to save money on production costs, will equally promote a G5 championship.... Theres a CA train for you to invest in

@DouglasTS @uodxcks812 These "threats" are akin to the boy who cried wolf. They happen all the time when major changes are afoot and low and behold...viewership ratings still keep going up.

@uodxcks812 somehow the sport will survive and thrive anyways. but hey, you'll have more time to spend on other things at least

ESPN owns 17 bowls & broadcasts 16 more non-CFP bowls that provide cheap content & quality ratings. Expansion to 24 team CFP makes all of these less valuable and would require ESPN to pay significantly higher rights fees to the new CFP games if they want to replace lost inventory

Does the CFP market the FCS tournament? Does the CFP bundle FCS tournament games along with the FBS tournament games so that networks have to buy them and broadcast them in a manner to make up for the cost of buying the rights? No, the FCS tournament gets very little marketing, very little advertising, it gets played on what...ESPN+? Sorry but that comparison is a shit one.

@ImmaculateView @HEROSportsNews @KcSmurthwaite FCS has superior product in their championship model... so much so it is common knowledge and used in every argument as what a model should look like (and FBS refuses to use) How many are watching? How much money does it make? Thats basic logic

@BeavsOfSoCal @HEROSportsNews @KcSmurthwaite basic logic not your friend?

@ImmaculateView @HEROSportsNews @KcSmurthwaite

@hanback_james @hmckee53 they would have been too if I was still on their show to explain things to them.

@hmckee53 It really depends on conference governance. I'm warming up to @ImmaculateView idea of the ACC becoming a school of privates headed by ND. Let's see how the dominoes fall.

This list is accurate imo but I would move SDSU & maybe UNLV into the standby list

@MrTPSM Ahh, well that is a good question. Best answer I could give? Leverage?

@ImmaculateView If the A4 conferences are building this great new subdivision with a fancy 24 team playoff…why do they also need to monopolize the bowls so that the G6 get screwed over, lol?

For the folks who really dont want to believe how closely the A4 are working with each other now after the passing of the new D1 governance model last August.

@MrTPSM What are you wanting me to make sense of?

@ImmaculateView I’m serious. Makes this make sense, lol….

Some of you may remember quite some time ago when I began to tout what GT was up to there that I pointed out what they were doing with their facilities. It just finished up.

@JoshPateCFB @Espngreeny Done any house shopping in Connecticut yet?

@Espngreeny one of Us 🫡

What he said.

@MrTPSM Gotta play out the contracts probably.

@ImmaculateView Autonomy Subdivision teams playing in b-b-bowl games, lol? What’s next? G6 programs doing at large bids in the FCS Playoff?

@Espngreeny You dont know Ohio State or Michigan if you think their coaches could survive getting caught load managing for that game.

@mytym2shn Probably just playing out their contracts with the Bowls until the full transition is made from the Bowls.

@ImmaculateView Your view makes sense but hopefully they think it through.