@GistMeister_@Tmwtv_@JayDyer@redeemed_zoomer The Bible literally teaches that we are to become more like Christ, from glory to glory. Working out our salvation with fear and trembling, and finishing our race well so as not to be disqualified. I used to ignore or explain away these concepts as a Protestant.
@JK2222__@Tmwtv_@JayDyer@redeemed_zoomer I dont need to experience Orthodox liturgy to know the sufficiency of Christ. Adding to the gospel is still a different gospel. Ill stay right here in the simplicity and power of Christ alone. I only pray for your return.
@GistMeister_@Tmwtv_@JayDyer@redeemed_zoomer I truly don't understand why you are assuming I'm self righteous or proud. I have no righteousness except by Christ, nor have I ever said otherwise to you.
@JK2222__@Tmwtv_@JayDyer@redeemed_zoomer I'm 29 and i'm grounded in Christ alone by His grace through faith. Just because you switched up late doesnt mean I will. I'm fixed on the finished work of Christ and there's nothing that will change my mind. Self righteous pride is what made you fall away from the truth.
@JK2222__@Tmwtv_@JayDyer@redeemed_zoomer 1 John 2:19 "they went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us"
@JK2222__@Tmwtv_@JayDyer@redeemed_zoomer Changing your view after 40 years actually confirms to me that you were never truly rooted in Christ and the biblical gospel of grace through faith. You may have tasted the truth, but without full submission to Christ, its easy to turn to something that appeals to the flesh.
@GistMeister_@Tmwtv_@JayDyer@redeemed_zoomer I changed my 40-year view on theology after a lifetime of prayer and repentance. That doesn't result from having a heart of stone, friend.
@JK2222__@Tmwtv_@JayDyer@redeemed_zoomer Learn what exactly? I already laid out the truth for you, but you have a heart of stone and see it as foolishness. I'm not interested in watching some whiney attention seeker be wrong, insult people and declare victory every 5 minutes just to protect his own pride and ego.
@JK2222__@Tmwtv_@JayDyer@redeemed_zoomer Faith working through love shows life change, not a works requirement to stay saved. I really hope you come to truly believing in Jesus today so you may do those good works for the glory of God rather than selfish gain. Truly seek for the truth. Your soul depends on it. Bye.
DEBATE: Do Freemasons take blood oaths? If so, is it then wrong for Christians to become Freemasons?
James 5:12 "Above all, my brothers and sisters, do not swear—not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. All you need to say is a simple 'Yes' or 'No.' Otherwise you will be condemned."
33rd Degree Freemason: I've not interpreted that verse as being anti-oath; it is anti-frivolous/malicious/misleading oaths.
Jay Dyer (@JayDyer): The blood oaths that are required for Masonry might be problematic.
Chase Geiser (@realchasegeiser): When I hear blood oath, I think of somebody actually cutting their hand open, and there is actually blood involved in the oath.
Jay Dyer: Don't you take an oath to have your throat slit should blah blah blah happen?
33rd Degree Freemason: There is penalties in these obligations. We won't discuss the specifics of those obligations. You can laugh at that. You can go find them online if you want.
33rd Degree Freemason: If you believe that those are literal oaths... is that your claim?
Jay Dyer: I know there have been cases like the William Morgan Affair where it was not interpreted as purely symbolic.
@JK2222__@DJ__Bolger Do you know what Martinism is?
The problem here that everyone is experiencing is one of the fundamental philosophical backbone of modern Freemasonry's overlap with Esoteric Christianity (its significant) is staunchly anti-Catholic.
If you're keen enough, this explains everything.
@DJ__Bolger Do normalfags just not know Freemasonry is almost totally Christian? To not know this means you either willingly know nothing about Freemasonry or you're being disingenuous.