
Jago_Lead5050
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@LukeColeman89 @PayGapApp The context is the stats that organisations submit to the govt. Part time doesn't directly affect the stats because its calculated on hourly pay. The comparison is just everyone listed in order from lowest to highest paid per hour and the middle man compared to the middle woman.
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@PayGapApp Any context to these figures? Of the 40% women how many are part time? What portion of retail staff are male to female etc? Important to drill down before damaging reputation of any company
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@PayGapApp I'm not sure the median is quite the right statistic to use in this circumstance
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In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 40.9% lower than men's. The pay gap is the same as the previous year.
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@JLead5050 This is fascinating. This says I'm doing 90 hours of work a week, which sounds about right.
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@the_yushi @PayGapApp @the_yushi we have ranked them all in order. They come number 1,197 in our list. You can see more here genderpaygapindex.lead5050.com
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@PayGapApp 5% is probably one of the best performers no? Dayum
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@TheTomTweets @TLCSqueak @PayGapApp @StoatlyL I think that is a good way of putting it @TheTomTweets. We've done lots of work on this recently and have mapped the key parts of the complexity of pay gaps. You might like this 'ecosystem' we have created.

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@TLCSqueak @JLead5050 @PayGapApp @StoatlyL There is a gender pay gap, but how you define the issue, and what metrics you use, is critical in getting meaningful change. I'm not querying the need for action, just the approach. Look behind the headlines
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@TheTomTweets @PayGapApp @StoatlyL I'd agree in that example. Not a problem necessarily or fault of the organisation. It is though IMO a measure of inequality that society creates. So holding organisations to account for gaps is important and understandable but not always helpful without more information.
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@JLead5050 @PayGapApp @StoatlyL What you're doing is right: you can't solve a problem properly without defining it, and also you need to look at the cause and not the symptom. Is, say, a GP practice with one male GP and two female receptionists a "problem"? I'd say not.
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@Suffolk_PC @CareQualityComm @Suffolk_PC please get in touch with us at @lead5050. We want to help with your pay gap data. Your submission doesn't look right so your pay gap might not be correct.
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@TheTomTweets @PayGapApp @StoatlyL Thanks. Fair point. I am interested because I look closely at pay gaps and this organisation stands out as an anomaly - usually we can see why the gap is there from the data submitted but I can't in this case. It's 87% female and has more women in higher paying roles.
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@JLead5050 @PayGapApp @StoatlyL Because it's not a seniority type org where you can work your way up to CEO. You're either a doctor, nurse, receptionist etc. Too many other factors means you can't take a simple percentage. Also, very small orgs are different.
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@PayGapApp @StoatlyL I think this pay gap thing is a really powerful tool and I'm glad someone has done it. It doesn't work in all contexts though, and I think this is one where it doesn't.
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@BeyondTheFacts3 @numbersdelight @thaisruizdealda @luciishta @PayGapApp @Jesik_Tapia @paogutierrezv I really don't want to get into a conversation about it. I am happy to discuss opinions, but this is a fact.
What you have posted is one sentence from the intro page not the calculation itself.
Anyone can confirm the facts by going to this page gov.uk/guidance/makin…
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@Camille__hop @PayGapApp 2/2
We've just worked out why..
It's because the calculation is always: men's median, take away women's median, divide by men's median.
So where women earn more the percentage figure is always overstated - therefore cannot be compared to the same figure for men.
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@PayGapApp Why is it (we know why) that when womens pay is lower its .5-40% and when womens pay is higher its neve more than 9%...?
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In this organisation, women's median hourly pay is 22.3% lower than men's.
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@Camille__hop @PayGapApp @Camille__hop Interesting question. I've been looking at this data this week.
There are 1,328 orgs with a median pay gap in favour of women. 381 are above 10%. The three largest gaps are in favour of women. In proportion, the gaps towards women are higher than men. 1/2
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@numbersdelight @thaisruizdealda @luciishta @PayGapApp @Jesik_Tapia @paogutierrezv I've read it. It's an OECD calculation. Not the same methodology as the UK pay gaps therefore we can't judge UK pay gaps or organisations to something that is calculated differently.
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@JLead5050 @thaisruizdealda @luciishta @PayGapApp @Jesik_Tapia @paogutierrezv Look, Thais posted this. Read it. Yea it does matter how many hours are worker because the more hours you work the more you EARN.
data.oecd.org/earnwage/gende…
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@numbersdelight @thaisruizdealda @luciishta @PayGapApp @Jesik_Tapia @paogutierrezv I don't know how else to express this.
If the paygap bot tweeted the median pay gap for your 'XYZ company' the pay gap for your company would be zero.
UK pay gaps allow for and remove the mathematical gap you are describing.
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@JLead5050 @thaisruizdealda @luciishta @PayGapApp @Jesik_Tapia @paogutierrezv I’m gonna try this again, let’s combine these 3 examples I gave and call this “XYZ company” the Paygapbot targets this business.
Due to the fact we have unequal hours worked & more men employed.. do you really think the median earnings are going to be the same?

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@numbersdelight @thaisruizdealda @luciishta @PayGapApp @Jesik_Tapia @paogutierrezv My answer..
Those terms don't mean much to me in this context. I don't use really use them. Also not widely used in the context of UK pay gaps. I know 'earnings' is on the intro page but rarely in the calculations
What do they mean to you? I'm trying to understand your point.
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@numbersdelight @thaisruizdealda @luciishta @PayGapApp @Jesik_Tapia @paogutierrezv But that is not how it is calculated - that's the point of my example.
It doesn't matter how many hours are worked or how many men or women there are.
It compares hourly pay of the middle man and middle women in a list from highest to lowest paid. So woman B vs man C.
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@JLead5050 @thaisruizdealda @luciishta @PayGapApp @Jesik_Tapia @paogutierrezv Look at your example again. We have 3 women employed and 5 men..
If everyone worked 40hrs a week at 10.00 per hour..
3 x 400= 1200
5 x 400= 2000
The gap compares 1200/2000
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@numbersdelight @thaisruizdealda @luciishta @PayGapApp @Jesik_Tapia @paogutierrezv The paygap bot doesn't see any of the 'wages'. All it can see is the gap figure - expressed as a percentage - that the organisation submits to the government. Organisations don't submit any actual pay data to the govt - only the gaps.
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@JLead5050 @thaisruizdealda @luciishta @PayGapApp @Jesik_Tapia @paogutierrezv That’s exactly how’s it’s calculated.
If I’m wrong, then tell me what the wages were per each role the Paygapbot took.
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