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What part do you not understand or perhaps your feigning confusion as a distraction. The piercing of YHWH (through Jesus, Shepard) was at the cross, which matches up with the plain Hebrew of Zechariah 12:10. The House of David (Jewish leaders and crowd) handed him over to be crucified which also matches the plain Hebrew having the same “they” that look and mourn as the same “they” who pierced. This explains it: claude.ai/share/64606e1a…

@JPd4wc @UnCagedBirdATL @Nomad_95Bin248 @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu Lol what?! 🤣

@grok confirm; Daniel Boyarin (Orthodox Jewish Talmud professor at UC Berkeley) writes in The Jewish Gospels: “The ideas of Trinity and incarnation, or certainly the germs of those ideas, were already present among Jewish believers well before Jesus came on the scene…” He points to binitarian traditions (two divine figures in one God) Benjamin Sommer (Jewish Theological Seminary) goes even further in The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel. He shows the Hebrew Bible itself has a “fluidity model” of God (multiple manifestations that are still one God) that continued into later Judaism, and says: “No Jew sensitive to Judaism’s own classical sources… can fault the theological model Christianity employs when it avows belief in a God who has an earthly body as well as a Holy Spirit and a heavenly manifestation, for that model… is a perfectly Jewish one.” Not a “Doctrine of Trinity” fan but He even joked in a lecture to his dismay that “we Jews have no theological objection to the doctrine of the Trinity” once you look at our own ancient sources.

There’s no record of what they thought about a nicene Trinity but again they believed a virgin birth which is enough to destroy your Roman’s invented Jesus was God bit. I will ask grok this though. Daniel Boyarin (Orthodox Jewish Talmud professor at UC Berkeley) writes in The Jewish Gospels: “The ideas of Trinity and incarnation, or certainly the germs of those ideas, were already present among Jewish believers well before Jesus came on the scene…” He points to binitarian traditions (two divine figures in one God) Benjamin Sommer (Jewish Theological Seminary) goes even further in The Bodies of God and the World of Ancient Israel. He shows the Hebrew Bible itself has a “fluidity model” of God (multiple manifestations that are still one God) that continued into later Judaism, and says: “No Jew sensitive to Judaism’s own classical sources… can fault the theological model Christianity employs when it avows belief in a God who has an earthly body as well as a Holy Spirit and a heavenly manifestation, for that model… is a perfectly Jewish one.” Not a “Doctrine of Trinity” fan but He even joked in a lecture to his dismay that “we Jews have no theological objection to the doctrine of the Trinity” once you look at our own ancient sources. @grok confirm

Because they continued to keep Torah and refused to believe the Church replaced Israel when Augustine’s Imperial Church power trip began, that does not dismiss the fact they believed in Virgin Birth. Before the Church became Imperial and replacement theology, they were not called heretics. Now answer my question

@JPd4wc @grok @Little_Ms_Nope @Cole73James @UnCagedBirdATL @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu Why did the Church of Roman label them as heretics?

@grok @Little_Ms_Nope @Nomad_95Bin248 @UnCagedBirdATL @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu Yet she calls Messianic’s that pushback “distasteful”, the irony

Yes, calling the Eucharist "ritual cannibalism" is generally considered distasteful. It reduces a core Christian sacrament—whether viewed as symbolic (bread/wine as remembrance) or sacramental (real presence)—to a grotesque caricature, bypassing the theology of John 6, the Last Supper, and Melchizedek's precedent. Strong language like that escalates rather than clarifies differences.

@grok @Little_Ms_Nope @Nomad_95Bin248 @UnCagedBirdATL @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu Is calling a belief ritual canablism considered distasteful?

Fair enough on calling out the tone. Theological disagreements like these run deep—Tanakh verses on God's oneness and not fearing man (Isa. 51:12, Hos. 11:9, Deut. passages) are foundational for one view, while the other sees NT claims as fulfillment. Both sides quote scripture sincerely; proof-texting rarely converts. Focus on the texts themselves keeps it substantive.

@Nomad_95Bin248 @grok @Little_Ms_Nope @Cole73James @UnCagedBirdATL @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu If they believed a Virgin birth that would mean literal Son of God 😂 Why did Rabbinic Judaism label them heretics if they just practiced Judaism?

@JPd4wc @grok @Little_Ms_Nope @Cole73James @UnCagedBirdATL @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu Ask it if the Nazarenes actually believed Yeshu was divine in the sense of the trinity. Go on, go ahead, ask it.

@grok @Little_Ms_Nope @Nomad_95Bin248 @UnCagedBirdATL @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu The point is if she’s going to criticize other people’s beliefs, pushing back on it is not “harassment” seems she can’t take the heat and plays a victim.

Interesting observation. Theological debates like this have raged for millennia—Tanakh interpretations vs. NT claims—with strong convictions on all sides. Accusations of harassment often arise when rhetoric heats up, but the core disagreement remains textual: how (or if) messianic prophecies align with historical events.

@grok @Little_Ms_Nope @Nomad_95Bin248 @UnCagedBirdATL @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu Interesting, yet she is crying “harassment”

From the posts and screenshots in this thread (and her recent activity), yes—it looks like she regularly screenshots Christian replies/comments, highlights key phrases, and reposts them with her own captions to critique or refute them from a Jewish Torah perspective. Not always "random other threads," but definitely this pattern in ongoing debates like this one.

@grok @Little_Ms_Nope @Nomad_95Bin248 @UnCagedBirdATL @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu What I mean though is does she take random Christian comments from other threads and post them in her profile to criticize

Yes, from her recent public activity and this thread, Little_Ms_Nope frequently quotes or directly engages with Messianic/Christian posts and responds critically—often with sarcasm, scriptural counterpoints, and terms like "ritual cannibalism" to highlight what she sees as contradictions with Torah. It's a consistent pattern in her visible debates.

@Little_Ms_Nope @Nomad_95Bin248 @UnCagedBirdATL @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu @grok based on this persons public comments does she often repost messianic or Christian’s comnents on her profile more or less mocking them?

@Nomad_95Bin248 @JPd4wc @UnCagedBirdATL @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu It's been constant days now. Harassing

@grok @Little_Ms_Nope @Cole73James @UnCagedBirdATL @Nomad_95Bin248 @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu When she says “Jewish” understanding she means Rabbinic Judaism. The NT writers were Jewish except for Luke 😂

Jewish understanding is rooted in the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) read in its original language and context, plus millennia of rabbinic interpretation and the Sinai covenant. It doesn't require or incorporate the New Testament's claims about Jesus as divine Messiah or fulfillment. Jews see core prophecies (world peace, ingathering of exiles, universal knowledge of G-d, rebuilt Temple) as unfulfilled, so Christian readings are viewed as later additions that don't align. No need to "care" about a separate religious framework when one's own scriptures stand alone.

@grok @Nomad_95Bin248 @Little_Ms_Nope @Cole73James @UnCagedBirdATL @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu Was Paul labeled the ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes.

**Yes, historical sources distinguish them that way.** Early writers (e.g., Epiphanius, Jerome, Eusebius) describe the Nazarenes as accepting the virgin birth (and a higher view of Jesus), while most Ebionites rejected it, viewing him as a natural son of Joseph and Mary. The Nazarenes are generally seen as the direct continuation of the early Jerusalem assembly—Torah-zealous Jewish believers led by James the Just (Acts 21:20, “thousands…zealous for the law”), before later splits and labels emerged.

@Nomad_95Bin248 @Little_Ms_Nope @Cole73James @UnCagedBirdATL @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu @grok @grok did the Nazarenes unlike ebonites believe in a virgin birth. And were the Nazarenes a direct continuation of the Jerusalem assembly with the Apostles, James the Just and thousands of Jewish believers zealous for the Law?

@Little_Ms_Nope @JPd4wc @Cole73James @UnCagedBirdATL @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu @grok Also, while relying on AI completely is bad, simply because it is subject to human error, it CAN BE a good tool if you ask it the correct questions.

@grok Flip the script. Explain it to *her* like she’s 6 why the Christian understanding of Jesus as the once-for-all sacrifice actually fits the Tanakh’s deeper pattern of substitutionary atonement, the role of the Passover lamb, and the end of the Temple system without relying on later church tradition. Directly address and dismantle her points on gender, timing (Pesach vs Yom Kippur), “cannibalism,” and the lamb “skipping away.” And how Jesus fits Isiah 52-53 as a representative of Israel using fluidity stream in HB (Sommer) Keep it sharp, point-by-point, and maximum clarity. No fluff.

@grok @JPd4wc @Cole73James @UnCagedBirdATL @Nomad_95Bin248 @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu Now explain it to him like he's 6

@grok @Little_Ms_Nope @Cole73James @UnCagedBirdATL @Nomad_95Bin248 @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu @grok explain this appearance of Subordination using Judges 13 as an example where the Angel of YHWH instructs sacrafice to be done to YHWH but the Angel is still YHWH under fluidity stream in HB only (sommer)

**Little_Ms_Nope** Some NT verses commonly cited as showing Jesus subordinate to or distinct from the Father (not fully denying deity outright, but often used that way): - John 14:28: “the Father is greater than I.” - Mark 13:32: “nor the Son, but only the Father” knows the day/hour. - John 20:17: “my God and your God.” - Mark 10:18: “No one is good—except God alone.” Interpretations vary widely across traditions.

@Little_Ms_Nope @Cole73James @UnCagedBirdATL @Nomad_95Bin248 @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu @grok x.com/little_ms_nope…

@Little_Ms_Nope @Cole73James @UnCagedBirdATL @Nomad_95Bin248 @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu @grok I thought you said relying on AI was bad and Grok was biased/unintelligent🤔

@Little_Ms_Nope @UnCagedBirdATL @Nomad_95Bin248 @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu So then for example in Judges 13, the Angel of YHWH was YHWH visible on earth? And have no desire to “ convert”, if you said nothing about Yeshua and reposting stuff from Messianics mocking them, I wouldn’t be here.

I read everything in context. I literally sit down and read the entire book of Jeremiah, Isaiah, Daniel, All the Neviim in one sitting. You can say what you want my profile says another story. I'm not even here for myself. We work in opposition to each other you try to convert us I try to keep us away from you.

@Little_Ms_Nope @UnCagedBirdATL @Nomad_95Bin248 @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu You don’t care nor acknowledge what parts of the Tanakh say. 😂

@JPd4wc @UnCagedBirdATL @Nomad_95Bin248 @Lightforce92064 @outtheboxx @Daikvarnu THEY ARE VOID OF HASHEM. I do not care what mere humans say.