@lilifying I love FNAF but the fish-eye camera in all the OG games give me motion sickness. I couldn't play SB/SOTM because I'm broke. But my brother played the OG games and I got to listen plus I've been reading up on lore and theories and watched the new games videos so I'm a fan.
@mhmtmnnr@cressuhime@SNK_LRD Yo yeah I just read the script to this movie and understood the themes so I’m a fan now! Did I completely miss out on most of the experience and the way it was intended to be consumed? Yep! I honestly don’t understand why you couldn’t just think the game looked cool, like it’s ok
@Jack_Clark027@cressuhime@SNK_LRD No, I didn't watch the video in the way you imagined I did! I engaged with the game's by understanding it and viewing it as it played out! This might not be how you engage with a video of a game and it's not something I equate to playing the game but it's a way to be a fan!
@mhmtmnnr@cressuhime@SNK_LRD Again, everything you’re describing here is thinking the game looked cool, you weren’t a fan of it because you hadn’t played it yet. That’s like watching a trailer and seeing cool mechanics so you call yourself a fan of the game, it just makes no sense.
@Jack_Clark027@cressuhime@SNK_LRD You are reframing my "fan-ness" to be about the "let's play" rather than the game itself when I explicitly state that the GAME is what I was a fan of. I was a fan of the play scenarios it created with vaulting windows and using LOS: aspects of the GAME itslef not the let's play
@mhmtmnnr@cressuhime@SNK_LRD You keep throwing out petty semantics but what am I saying that’s petty or semantic? Also if you crave to play the game that doesn’t make you a fan of it?? That just means you want to play it bro what
@Jack_Clark027@cressuhime@SNK_LRD If I was a fan of the let's plays and not the game itself I wouldn't crave to play the game, this is blatantly obvious. Petty semantics don't bring you or me closer to truth
@mhmtmnnr@cressuhime@SNK_LRD Yeah I think I just inherently disagree, no video game was made to be watched primarily they were all made to be played, and the BARE MINIMUM to be a fan is to engage with the art form, which you aren’t doing if you aren’t playing the game
@Jack_Clark027@cressuhime@SNK_LRD game where doing so is enough to warrant calling yourself a fan. I don't think someone who watches playthroughs should comment on the gameplay of a game but that doesn't make them "larpers" or "not a fan".
@mhmtmnnr@cressuhime@SNK_LRD How is what I said petty semantic I said watching it doesn’t make you a fan? Also yeah if you acknowledge they aren’t the same, then how can’t you acknowledge that both don’t make you a fan
@Jack_Clark027@cressuhime@SNK_LRD This is just suuuch a petty semantic argument that I have to imagine you are just trolling, right? Like holy fucking shit bro. NO ONE is saying "watching videos is equal to playing it" either, we are talking about being a fan.
@mhmtmnnr@cressuhime@SNK_LRD See this is where this argument gets weird cause like, NO ONE is saying let’s plays are bad it’s just not playing the game, you though dead by daylight looked cool and were a fan of lets plays of it, but you weren’t a fan of the game until you played it
@Jack_Clark027@cressuhime@SNK_LRD I don't watch walkthroughs of games ever since I've had access to devices that can run the ones I like. I spent my nights dreaming of playing Dead by Daylight because I saw videos of it on youtube and when I finally got a decent device I spent 600 hours of my summer playing it
@mhmtmnnr@cressuhime@SNK_LRD The game of tag is both of those things, they’re both important to the game. Games have rules but they aren’t solely rules, just like they aren’t solely story or gameplay. Yet to be a fan of a game, you have to have played it or else you haven’t actually experienced it
@Jack_Clark027@cressuhime@SNK_LRD Gameplay isn't the buttons. The GAME of tag isn't catching up to your friend, the GAME is the rule that whenever "it" touches another player they now become "it". You are arguing with straws. I'm not here because I "prefer watching videos" +
@mhmtmnnr@cressuhime@SNK_LRD Also “gameplay informing narrative” is irrelevant when the argument is about being a fan of a game, which majorly includes gameplay
@Jack_Clark027@cressuhime@SNK_LRD A game is not the buttons you press. It's the rules and systems that bring up a dynamic of play. "press to shoot guy" is no different to flipping a book's page in SO many popular story driven action games. That's not gameplay informing narrative
@mhmtmnnr@cressuhime@SNK_LRD Yo are we being serious? Every video game uses gameplay to deliver plot or else it’s a movie?? And yeah the shoot guy button is usually used to kill someone that moves the plot forward, or you have to shoot a lot of guys which is difficult so it makes reaching more plot feel good
@Jack_Clark027@cressuhime@SNK_LRD Bro what games are y'all playing!!! Oh my god!!! Since when does every videogame use gameplay to deliver plot??? Please don't tell me pressing the shoot guy button is "gameplay delivering plot"
@musey101@bluthundyr Listening to an audiobook as opposed to reading it is closer to playing on mouse and keyboard as opposed to controller, you’re still getting the same amount of content in the intended way. Games are made to be watched, they’re meant to be played
@bluthundyr Here’s my argument:
If you listen to an audiobook rather than read it you still consume the media
If you just listen to a soundtrack of a audial rather than watch it you still consume the media
The same can be said for VG—you’re just consuming it a diff way it still counts?
You can be a fan of a game without playing it but you have to acknowledge your experience is fundamentally lacking bc you didn’t play it yourself
Yay that simple discourse over
@cressuhime@SNK_LRD Why does me responding mean I give so much of a fuck? Why does my opinion affect you so much? I think you’re projecting about the superiority thing no one is implying or stating superiority. It’s just doesn’t make sense to be a fan of something you’ve never played or experienced
@Jack_Clark027@SNK_LRD but why give so much of a fuck? in what way does their choices affect you? why do you need to feel superior to other people over things that do not matter
@cressuhime@SNK_LRD Funny how you started this by calling people on my side pretentious, and now disagreeing with you is “loser behavior” do what you want no one cares, but saying you’re a fan of something you don’t care enough about to actually play is just top tier performative.
@Jack_Clark027@SNK_LRD i dont think caring about video gamed is a contest. if you like a game you like a game, idc what you like about it or if you have even played it, it does not affect me in any way. caring this much about what others do is loser behavior im afraid
@cressuhime@SNK_LRD Bro EVERY video game uses gameplay to deliver the plot, that’s why it’s a game and not a book. You’re just admitting you only care about the story of games, which makes up at best a third of a video game.
@Jack_Clark027@SNK_LRD watching someone play the game isnt the same as reading a summary what? youre actually seeing the cutscenes for what they are. and unless the game uses the gameplay itself to tell its narrative which a lot of games do not, you can absolutely be a fan of a game based on the story
@cressuhime@SNK_LRD Yeah I’m not gonna agree that someone who read a Wikipedia plot breakdown is a fan of a film, so I’m not gonna say that someone who watched a gameplay walkthrough is a fan of the game. It’s not pretentious you’re just missing a huge part of the experience
@Jack_Clark027@SNK_LRD no, what people say is that youre not a fan. that is pretentious, that is very annoying. you can tell someone their opinion on a games gameplay is irrelevant, but if youre gonna discredit their opinion on a story that they objectively did read, youre a pretentious asshole
@cressuhime@SNK_LRD I don’t think it’s pretentious to say you didn’t really experience a game if you didn’t play it, we wouldn’t call reading a plot synopsis watching a movie
@SNK_LRD i think its kinda dumb how pretentious people have gotten over video games now, like yeah people who havent played a game shouldnt talk about the gameplay but people can absolutely have a valid opinion on characters and story by watching someone else play it
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