Jack

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Jack

Jack

@JackmcCarthy13

Katılım Şubat 2012
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Jade Azim@JadeFrancesAzim·
@not_tbonzalez Cooperative politics is as well established and historic as the labour movement itself
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Jack@JackmcCarthy13·
@AllyFogg @pengersxi Otherwise, Voters will surely think, what’s the point in voting for us if we’re tacitly endorsing the defacto Labour leader without demanding anything in return.
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Ally Fogg
Ally Fogg@AllyFogg·
@JackmcCarthy13 @pengersxi He will set out his own political positions and ideas, but it will all be things he says he wants to do for the good of the country, not as a quid pro quo with the Greens.
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Ally Fogg
Ally Fogg@AllyFogg·
Personal positions on the Andy Burnham thing. 1/ Like most people in Manchester I like Andy, he’s done many good things here, many of which are below the radar outside GMcr. 2/ He’s not the messiah and he will not prove more powerful than the Labour Party machinery >
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Jack@JackmcCarthy13·
@AllyFogg @pengersxi if we have a very different policy platform, and, as you say, we have no hope of getting any concessions through negotiation then the only way to force him to adopt more green policies surely has to be to run a full campaign?
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Jack@JackmcCarthy13·
@AllyFogg @pengersxi But if he were to state public support for a policy like a wealth tax that gives us some leverage when he becomes leader. He will not want to be seen as a slippery Starmer like figure. 2/2
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Jack@JackmcCarthy13·
@AllyFogg @pengersxi But if we can’t secure any concessions then we are not furthering the objectives of the Green Party by not standing. I’m not suggesting he makes firm promises regarding the entire Labour Party. 1/2
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Jack@JackmcCarthy13·
@AllyFogg @pengersxi Agreed but there has to be some quid pro quo. We cannot just roll over and let our tummies be tickled. Some sort of commitment to a green policy, perhaps wealth tax?
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Ally Fogg
Ally Fogg@AllyFogg·
@pengersxi Burnham would not and could not guarantee PR. That’s wishful thinking.
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Stan's Account@tristandross·
zack polanski said what?? about boobs??? i guess i have no choice but to vote for the eternal misery, war and paedophiles candidates then
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Mehdi Hasan@mehdirhasan·
Weird that even the police, in their tweet, though not in the full statement itself, are just airbrushing the fact that he’s being charged with three attempted murders, not two, the third person being a Muslim man he stabbed earlier in the day
Metropolitan Police@metpoliceuk

A man will appear in court today charged following a Counter Terrorism Policing investigation into two men stabbed in #GoldersGreen: news.met.police.uk/news/man-charg…

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Jack@JackmcCarthy13·
@JRLevinsLaw That was before the explosion I membership and popularity in the last year. The Green party’s finances are not a problem anymore.
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awl-@sorellee_·
wow amazing result
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Jack@JackmcCarthy13·
@AllyFogg @ScouseWolfy @UKLabour Again. I just fundamentally disagree with you. If you are not, as an MP, are actively voting against things that you believe will improve peoples lives then you sure are acting immorally.
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Jack@JackmcCarthy13·
@AllyFogg @ScouseWolfy @UKLabour So what? You have to get better at persuading them that good things are actually possible. You don’t just roll over and go ‘well I just have to make their lives worse now’ .
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Ally Fogg
Ally Fogg@AllyFogg·
@JackmcCarthy13 @ScouseWolfy @UKLabour In our democracy the electorate *often* choose to vote for things that will make their own lives worse. In fact that's pretty much the defining characteristic of our democracy for at least 50 years now.
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Jack@JackmcCarthy13·
@AllyFogg @ScouseWolfy @UKLabour You are voting against the people you represent if you are voting for things that you believe will make their lives worse. If ppl don’t agree they vote you out in the next election. If you are voting against your party’s wishes then they remove the whip. It really is that simple.
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Ally Fogg
Ally Fogg@AllyFogg·
@JackmcCarthy13 @ScouseWolfy @UKLabour I'm strongly disagreeing on the 'people they represent' point. It's by no means clear which voters are voting for the candidate and which are voting for the party & party leadership. Lots of evidence to suggest the latter is a bigger factor than the former for most.
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Jack@JackmcCarthy13·
@AllyFogg @ScouseWolfy @UKLabour With respect, I understand how representative democracy works. This is just a lot of words to explain away people putting their party and their own political careers before their principles and the people they represent. We are supposed to be fighting for a better world.
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Ally Fogg
Ally Fogg@AllyFogg·
@JackmcCarthy13 @ScouseWolfy @UKLabour If I vote for a Labour MP, I don't necessarily want my MP to be acting against the Labour leadership or the Labour government. These are the fundamental & inescapable contradictions in the whole structure of our representative parliamentary democracy.
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Jack@JackmcCarthy13·
@AllyFogg @ScouseWolfy @UKLabour Well we fundamentally disagree then: I think it’s absolutely mad to accept MPs, whose job it is to demonstrate their values through voting, who have repeatedly voted in support of regressive policies. Why would we want a person whose principles are so malleable in the party.
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Ally Fogg
Ally Fogg@AllyFogg·
@JackmcCarthy13 @ScouseWolfy @UKLabour I'm not sure it should be a single line, so much as demonstrable support for Green Party values & positions. I might be looking more closely at their funders & freebies than their voting record (particularly for whipped votes.)
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Jack@JackmcCarthy13·
@AllyFogg @ScouseWolfy @UKLabour Even accepting your point, surely there has to be a line? And where would you put that line if you’re saying it hasn’t been crossed by the institution which they are actively working to support propping up a genocide?
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Ally Fogg
Ally Fogg@AllyFogg·
@JackmcCarthy13 @ScouseWolfy @UKLabour Yeah, Labourism is a strange & complex disease, and the loyalty of the Labour left to the party machine has been baffling since the days of Ramsay McDonald, but it is what it is. Like I said earlier, I think we do sometimes need to allow people to say they were wrong.
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