Jamie Stephenson

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Jamie Stephenson

@JamieSt16724059

Katılım Ağustos 2021

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@stevejpitchford @geraint9918 @EdwardJDavey You miss the point, the queens speech is the traditional confidence motion. But Labour can call a confidence motion at any time to test confidence, it would fail though. She had the confidence of the majority of MPs by definition as she’s the leader of their party.

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Steven Pitchford@stevejpitchford·7 Eyl

@JamieSt16724059 @geraint9918 @EdwardJDavey Jamie, help me out here. I think the last vote on Truss by MPs was in round five when Liz gained confidence of just 113 MPs. I don’t think there has been a vote in the house since?

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Ed Davey@EdwardJDavey·6 Eyl

Liz Truss has made it clear: This is still a Conservative Government that is hopelessly out-of-touch and takes the British people for granted. Our by-election victories forced Johnson out, now we need a General Election to get the rest of them out too.

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·7 Eyl

@stevejpitchford @geraint9918 @EdwardJDavey Our elected representatives do have that. It’s exactly why a prime minister has to hold the confidence of the house.

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Steven Pitchford@stevejpitchford·7 Eyl

@JamieSt16724059 @geraint9918 @EdwardJDavey I keep re-reading what I typed and what I see is a concern that I feel our elected representatives should have some process in confirming the PM following an appointment by a relatively small group of unelected party members. I can’t see any allegation of rules being broke?

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·7 Eyl

@WWWiltonway @GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret Perhaps not, but we are where we are as you say. I think we actually achieved some common ground there from a rocky start which is reasonably refreshing!

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Loire@loicleclef·7 Eyl

@JamieSt16724059 @GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret I see evidence they’ve changed, though not enough so far. But this certainly isn’t what a majority intended, and was as much a result of fatigue as it was a political power grab. It’s tragic, but it’s what happened

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ALASTAIR CAMPBELL@campbellclaret·6 Eyl

Quite remarkable to hear Johnson spell out what a great leader he was and how much he delivered … a fantasist as he arrived and a fantasist as he leaves. The worst PM in history. He leaves the country in a mess and politics with standards debased

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·7 Eyl

@WWWiltonway @GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret Another referendum would be wanted be even less people. Most people are just sick of it all. It is most regretful.

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Loire@loicleclef·7 Eyl

@JamieSt16724059 @GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret Yes, I think some mechanisms such as supermajority to allow for proper intelligent and sufficiently detailed decisions, likely over time, with votes on concrete proposals with fairness and transparency being required. As it stands it’s a chaotic mess, wanted by near no one

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·7 Eyl

@WWWiltonway @GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret I don’t agree that there is any real evidence that the views of the public have changed. They were de facto confirmed by the December 2019 election result. We’ll have to agree to differ on this but I do agree the original referendum mechanism was flawed.

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Loire@loicleclef·7 Eyl

@JamieSt16724059 @GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret 2. That said it is inherent in democratic systems that a given electorate can change their opinion at any time, and the government should be responsive to that change, and be representative of the voters. Neither are true today or during Brexit

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·7 Eyl

@WWWiltonway @GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret I don’t disagree with that, I actually think there should have had to be a super majority of 60 percent and I think the same should apply to Scottish independence.

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Loire@loicleclef·7 Eyl

@JamieSt16724059 @GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret 1. I think poorly conceived and badly structured populist referenda are a terrible practice for most things, but especially for major shifts in fundamental rights and constitution. It should never have been able to be voted in by a minority of the electorate.

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·7 Eyl

@WWWiltonway @GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret So referendums every year. Can’t wait.

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Loire@loicleclef·7 Eyl

@JamieSt16724059 @GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret That’s right, the situation and the players and time change, but the team and the game to do not. Divorce used to be illegal until it wasn’t. Abortion in the US was illegal, then it wasn’t, not it is. Same in UK.

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·7 Eyl

@AidanMageeTV @MichelleDewbs We have a system that 99.9 percent of the people commenting on don’t understand. We also have a press who are not honest brokers and are playing on public fear by peddling lies. What a time to be alive.

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Aidan Magee@AidanMageeTV·6 Eyl

@MichelleDewbs We have a system which allowed Gordon Brown to serve three years as PM without ever winning an election, while Boris Johnson served two-and-a-half despite winning an 80-seat majority. Work that out.

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Michelle Dewberry@MichelleDewbs·6 Eyl

1. How many people 'chose' Gordon Brown? 2. UK doesn't have a presidential system 3. What this country needs is stability/focus not more uncertainty/distraction Am so fed up of a) hypocrisy & b) this country & much in it being a political football, at a cost to us, the people

Richard Burgon MP@RichardBurgon

So the next Prime Minister has been chosen by just 81,000 unrepresentative Tories. That's simply not acceptable. Replacing one Tory PM with another is not the way out of this crisis. We need a General Election and a chance to kick the Tories out.

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·7 Eyl

@stevejpitchford @geraint9918 @EdwardJDavey That’s totally irrelevant though. Same thing happened with Brown and Labour by the way. This is how representative democracy works. By all means argue to change the system but don’t argue that the rules aren’t being followed, they absolutely are.

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Steven Pitchford@stevejpitchford·7 Eyl

@geraint9918 @EdwardJDavey It’s an interesting suggestion. Technically correct as far as I know, but I suspect personalities of leaders goes a long way to influencing the swing vote. Would you disagree?

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·7 Eyl

@WWWiltonway @GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret I understand how democracy works perfectly thank you. But if you have another referendum and a remain vote occurred, would we then have another in another year? Then another? I doubt you would have agreed to another referendum if remain had won in 2016. Btw I voted remain.

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Loire@loicleclef·7 Eyl

@JamieSt16724059 @GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret I feel like you don’t understand how democracy works. Fundamental to it is the voters ability to express their opinions in what we call “votes.” Those votes change or remain based on arguments, rational and emotional, and change as the electorate changes and new things are seen

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·7 Eyl

@WWWiltonway @GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret You don’t play the same game in the same situation again. Often games are once in a lifetime (World Cup finals for example) so yes the analogy (albeit not mine) does work. You’ve just chosen a certain way to interpret the analogy so it doesn’t.

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Loire@loicleclef·7 Eyl

@JamieSt16724059 @GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret In your analogy a game is a democratic vote. The next game is yet another democratic vote. And when you play the same team again the next time, it’s yet another “vote.” Teams ebb and flow, the worst players are fired, or die, or quit. And then it’s done all over again.

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·7 Eyl

@Verona79708347 @seahorse4000 @bealelab So you would fire all overweight doctors, surgeons, nurses etc then?

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Lottery Lady@Verona79708347·7 Eyl

@seahorse4000 @bealelab Really? Her weight is definitely relevant, she could end up costing the NHS money, she is a walking health disaster!

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Rupert Beale@bealelab·7 Eyl

Fair enough to criticise Thérèse Coffey for her politics. Far too many people who should know better are attacking her personal appearance. It's absolutely not on.

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·7 Eyl

@shintomac @Dav_m160 @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret Interesting take. So the EU’s response to Ukraine was better than the UKs then? They realised what he was doing quicker and we would have been quicker to act as part of the EU? Interesting take.

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Steven Hodges@shintomac·6 Eyl

@Dav_m160 @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret Whatever the cause of the UK’s problems, and its new poverty & weakness that helped embolden Putin to invade Ukraine, as someone who likes the UK I am always going to seek solutions to rectify matters, in spite of those who moan that we should just accept our lower standing.

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·7 Eyl

@WWWiltonway @GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret I feel like you don’t understand how the football league operates based on this comment. You don’t have replays if you lose.

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Loire@loicleclef·6 Eyl

@GethinH69754737 @shintomac @GavinRossPhoto @uk_sf_writer @campbellclaret Yes, that’s exactly how it’s done. And it’s called a season. And then it’s done all over again, ad infinitum.

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·7 Eyl

@shintomac @SammyZammy @Atipico1996 You’re advocating policies and restrictions that show fear. Yes I will still feel exactly the same thanks, I’d rather die at 45 than live a half lived life till 90. My aim is to live, not exist.

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Steven Hodges@shintomac·6 Eyl

@JamieSt16724059 @SammyZammy @Atipico1996 I certainly don’t live in fear, just knowledge. Your words appear to indicate that you accept the risks, but I wonder whether you will still feel the same if your gamble doesn’t win.

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Nicolas@Atipico1996·3 Eyl

This is getting bad. COVID cases continue to increase in the UK according to ZOE study: 27 August: 99k 28 August: 101k 29 August: 102k 30 August: 104k 1 September: 106.5k Numbers may not be accurate, but the pattern is clear.

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·6 Eyl

@KristianShepha1 @Jon_Chalk1 @HugoGye @DavidParsley50 I presume you are happy to pay significantly more tax then? Approximately the same amount as you currently pay for those services, well actually more because you’ll be paying for others who can’t afford it too?

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Hugo Gye@HugoGye·5 Eyl

NEW Truss energy plan as it stands is to freeze energy price cap at its current level (ie which took force in April), at least until the new year when the policy will be revisited, according to multiple sources in new govt. Story by @DavidParsley50 & me: inews.co.uk/news/politics/…

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·6 Eyl

@tedwrichards @oflynnsocial So one persons incorrect views are now what we listen to rather than what the law of the land actually says?

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Ted Richards@tedwrichards·5 Eyl

@oflynnsocial Didn't Ree Smog suggest we had effectively a presidency, so we couldn't possibly have a leadership change when there was a war raging? If that were the case, then it recognizes that, while voting for individual MPs, there is also the "package". Can't have it all ways.

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Patrick O'Flynn@oflynnsocial·5 Eyl

Didn't the Left realise that because the Tories won a five-year parliamentary majority in 2019 it meant that any replacement for Boris Johnson would be another Tory?

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·6 Eyl

@shintomac @SammyZammy @Atipico1996 If you want to live in fear then do so, in my view such a choice is not living and I would rather die early than live afraid and trapped. There is nothing more to do with this now other than choose how we want to live as individuals.

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Steven Hodges@shintomac·6 Eyl

@JamieSt16724059 @SammyZammy @Atipico1996 Not that it’s that simple of course, assuming there’s someone in your life you care about who is more vulnerable to covid

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·6 Eyl

@DorothyBruce14 @lost_mccynic @campbellclaret @EasyPeasy_3 Truss would also win a majority in parliament….the conservatives have a majority of over 70. That’s literally the point of a confidence motion.

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Dorothy Bruce@DorothyBruce14·5 Eyl

@lost_mccynic @campbellclaret @EasyPeasy_3 There were votes in Holyrood with all parties putting up challengers for First Minister and Nicola Sturgeon has won each of them. So yes, she has been elected by the voters and by MSPs.

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ALASTAIR CAMPBELL@campbellclaret·5 Eyl

She has a point …

Nicola Sturgeon@NicolaSturgeon

47% of the total electorate - worth noting that if the principles of her mooted new referendum law applied here, her election would be invalid

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Jamie Stephenson@JamieSt16724059·6 Eyl

@campbellclaret Not really because the prime minister isn’t elected by the public and the leadership contest isn’t a referendum as well you know.

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