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@Emzen449093 @GenderCthulu @Naeluckmate lmao you’re such a pompous prick. define woman then

@GenderCthulu @Jenwaynecleaver @Naeluckmate Ah, it appears that comprehension might not be your strong side. I say that reducing women to body parts is part of the patriarchy, which, unsurprisingly, you apparently disagree with.

@hexdwimo This is so stupid and regressive

NO FUN ALLOWED

@HelenaPuppygirl @illuxori lmao men say this all the time. “women live on easy mode” etc.

@illuxori describing being a woman as "fun"

if you think being a woman is "fun" youre probably not a trans guy

@WinslowAaron @StellarFox16 Nice try but now they’re onto “trans women ARE female” 😂

@StellarFox16 2. Sex and gender are different. Take all gender out of everything and it will solve all the problems. It isn't women's basketball. It is now female basketball. I just fixed everything.

Question for TRAs/trans people: 1. Why are all the rights/protections you want for trans women the ones created for female people? 2. If sex and gender are different, why should gender identity decide access to sex-based spaces? Answer the actual questions if you are going to reply.

@Emzen449093 @Naeluckmate God you’re tiresome. Humans can’t change sex. Cope with it. Get a hobby or something.

@Naeluckmate @Jenwaynecleaver Yes! I agree! Sex is not solely defined by chromosomes!

@Emzen449093 @Naeluckmate You don’t choose to have a developmental condition like a DSD, you do choose to “identify” as something you’re not. “so many options to be!!” please be real

@Naeluckmate @Jenwaynecleaver You have shown exactly here that sex, despite being bimodal is still a spectrum in this regard, with many options a person can be! A hypothetical question then, would changing every other aspects of a human's body other than this, would you still consider that person male/female?

@Emzen449093 @Naeluckmate That’s not the point. It doesn’t matter if you “can tell a random person on the street” is this or that. You’re muddying the waters to make it look deep. People know what they are.

@Naeluckmate @Jenwaynecleaver Is this the only way we humans differentiate sex in people? Or are there other things we take into consideration? Do you have an innate ability to tell the genetic makeup of a random person on the street?

@Emzen449093 @Naeluckmate most foolproof way? please. It doesnt leave out intersex people, you’ve got a misunderstanding of what intersex is. It’s essentially a misnomer

@Jenwaynecleaver @Naeluckmate Gender Identity is the most foolproof way we have to not leave out any potential outliers, as what is considered female DOES leave out intersex people. Which intersex groups have talked about before! Since you already brough up intersex people we might as well talk about them

@Naeluckmate @Emzen449093 *intersex arguments incoming*

@Emzen449093 @Jenwaynecleaver Er well yes they are. And worse they are reducing woman to a feeling in a man’s head. To something that men can purchase. Transwomen ARE the patriarchy. It’s just another manifestation of it that allows males to speak over and for females.

@Emzen449093 @Naeluckmate Men are adult human males. I don’t see anyone crying about that being reductive. Weird, isn’t it?

@Jenwaynecleaver @Naeluckmate Nobody is reducing women to superficial characteristics like makeup or clothing. Reducing women to their biology inevitably means some women will be left out, as they do not fit your definition of a woman. It's also part of the patriarchal narrative, reducing women to body parts

@Emzen449093 @Naeluckmate are you actively trying to be obtuse or are you genuinely just slow?

@BigEarsLBC @LibertyLydia @StellaDoves I need the normal gays to bring back this flag so we can separate ourselves

@Jenwaynecleaver @LibertyLydia @StellaDoves Yeah ulterior motives indeed. Sadiq Khan / Laila Cunningham etc. They push it. The radical Muslims who hate and spite us. Also love to see it. They see it as a weapon they can use against us and ensure replacement is quicker. Gays & trans side with Muslims too in protests....

Drag queens are hosting an event for homosexual parents and their young CHILDREN in East London later this month. This is nothing less than the sexualisation and grooming of the next generation — a deliberate attack on our way of life. I’m sick of it, and every decent person in Britain should be sick of it too. If we don’t actively oppose this filth, we are basically complicit.

@BigEarsLBC @LibertyLydia @StellaDoves Why do you think they support it? I’d assume all the gay stuff was haram but I can imagine ulterior motives perhaps

@Jenwaynecleaver @LibertyLydia @StellaDoves A narrative pushed and supported by Muslim leaders in the UK.

@iheartxutie @farfurtherfar I remember doubting my aversion to dick too and it wasn’t so long ago. I felt bad if I said I wouldn’t date a trans woman so I tried to justify it. It’s really disheartenening to think this is becoming normal.

@Jenwaynecleaver @farfurtherfar this was exactly what happened to me when i was younger i didn’t realize how predatory it was im so glad i got more educated

sorry lesbians you cant say scissoring anymore, not inclusive to males so you have to say intercourse. and you cant say you dont like dick, you have to say you dont like cis-het male dick.

@nyaraVT You know people can talk about two things at once? So desperate to shift the focus. Sounds pretty guilty to me.

I’m sure all of the rightoids who call innocent LGBTQ+ people “groomers” will now focus on the real threats to children.

@mushycrouton sure, Sam

In 1930s Germany, terfs would have vexatiously reported people they didn’t like as Jewish

I’ve watched the extremists of the gender critical/sex realist movement (they change their identity regularly) evolve over 7 years & sadly the extremist wing seems to dominate now. Remember when we could speak about brilliant trans women & trans men and use their preferred pronouns without the sex based stasi kicking down our social media door and interrogating us on our own sofa? In that way I feel they bear a striking resemblance to the uber woke raging progressives, just with no urine bottle based protests. I find the TERF pronoun police abusive & there is now seemingly a drift into homophobic adjacent attack & autism denial, which obviously needs addressing. You can’t make autistic kids and LGB adults your hand wringing focus one minute & then drive LGB & autistic supporters away with your abusive rhetoric the next. Well you can and you have but it’s raising questions about your motivations that undo a lot of the rational and important work you started all this for. There’s also a lot of finger pointing & accusations of female cowardice in the neo “struggle”. Seemingly there’s no sisterhood in respect of the reasons behind nuance & balanced responses, just an online verbal kneecapping for dissenters. There seems to be cowardice too in the silence from these same critics to the worst excesses of the extremists in their movement. It’s not enough to shrug & say “We’re not like that, we’re not like her or like him”. You know, you know it’s wrong. You know that because you’ll see the responses this post gets and you’ll either join them and give me a restrained scolding to send a signal or ignore me entirely and stick to discussing it on WhatsApp. The way I see it, I’m standing between two extremes racing towards each other cloaked in their own perceived correctness and moral righteousness (sometimes with the actual cross of Jesus being waved by podcasters) and wondering what the fuck this is doing to all of us. I’m wondering too what this will do to our kids & grandkids. There are Trans people being attacked and there are women, gay men and autistic kids being denigrated, isolated and ostracised. Who is being helped right now and who is being harmed? My generation lived through the ‘80’s but only if we were lucky. We lost too many bright & beautiful gay men to ignorance and bigotry, only to now cede even an inch of ground to hate. 🌈🏳️‍⚧️ Politics should at its heart be a pursuit of humanity driven beliefs, or it’s just another business run by profit margins and base line cuts. Currently all I see are two ideological tribes in a war of attrition. Those who claim not to lead these movements but do, should step up and decry the worst extremists on their own side. They can’t though can they because, just like Trump, they know the unwieldy mob they’ve motivated will come for them. It’s the story of online fandom writ large really a story as old as the internet itself, which is no time at all so we can change it if we want to. But it just boils down to a question of whether anyone wants to. It’s not that important to some. After all these are only real lives, real people and real democracy itself at stake, so who cares right?

so we can’t say scissoring, female homosexual or “i dont like dick” and women are “rightfully” being excluded from lesbianism so men can be included👍🏻 just so I’m clear