Eight of Nine

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Eight of Nine

@JerryManderkx

Free thinking male not yet assimilated into a collective. parkrun PB: nothing to boast about.

Katılım Mayıs 2025

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·1d

@JennyAscendant @speakoutsister True. I trust the various recipients of any letters misrepresenting parkrun to authenticate their content and seek context before replying, rather than taking them at face value. The responses will make for interesting reading.

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Jenny Ascendant@JennyAscendant·1d

@JerryManderkx @speakoutsister But let’s not forget that the registration cat is not sex and there are no protected competitive “categories” of any kind—so it’s not clear what the relevance of that 280 figure is anyway. The whole idea of the reg category is to be low friction and give fair _access_ to all.

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SpeakOutSister@speakoutsister·1d

Trans women are a tiny proportion of the population. Trans men also exist, and park run allows non binary people to register as such. Unless Ms Yamamuchi is claiming, and can show that large percentages of people registering as women are natal males, no this isn't meaningless

Mara Yamauchi@mara_yamauchi

Please listen! 👇 I’ve written to @BBCRadio4’s You & Yours about this.👇Parkrun collects NO sex data so they cannot measure how many women are doing what, and claims like Duggan’s are meaningless. No challenge from presenter Winifred Robinson. #makeparkrunfairforall

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·1d

@JennyAscendant @speakoutsister More than 280 first place female finishes reported as being by males identifying as female out of 356,288 all-time events. Putting the 280 into context doesn't justify any of course. That's not what I'm saying, but I wanted an idea of how commonplace it was. Not very.

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Jenny Ascendant@JennyAscendant·1d

@speakoutsister It’s ironic she says “please listen” bc she doesn’t listen to anything that doesn’t match her worldview. I wonder why she didn’t express this opinion in her letter:

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·1d

@NathanielHart72 @80percentvegan @HallisseyC Couldn't agree more. It isn't necessary.

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It's hip to be Claire!@NathanielHart72·1d

@JerryManderkx @80percentvegan @HallisseyC Gender reassignment is a protected category, just like religion and race. You're no more allowed to register by gender as you are by race or religion. What doesn't help here is that Parkrun provides rankings as well as track records.

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Claire Hallissey@HallisseyC·2d

The people I know speaking out for a fair women's category at parkrun don't do so with malicious intent. Most are regular parkrunners and volunteers. All of them just want equity for women. It really shouldn't be such a divisive issue. #makeparkrunfairforall

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·1d

@NathanielHart72 @80percentvegan @HallisseyC I may have misunderstood you. It's my understanding that, if categories aren't used to publish rankings, being invited to register for parkrun by gender wouldn't be unlawful, although I know of some who'd object to it. Many organisations request members to apply on that basis.

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It's hip to be Claire!@NathanielHart72·2d

@80percentvegan @HallisseyC Then drop the categories, the category based rankings, and category based track records.

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·1d

@EnarialP @mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @ForWomenScot @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 Never a truer word spoken Enarial 👍 Although don't forget, some may simply have poor eyesight.

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Enarial Perry@EnarialP·1d

@JerryManderkx @mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @ForWomenScot @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 There are always bad faith actors on X & you can't believe that anyone is who they say they are or whether they are trolling. But in real life, there are many indicators as to biological sex - I'm sure you know this.

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Mara Yamauchi@mara_yamauchi·3d

SEENinSport@SportSEENuk

CEO of @parkrunUK, Lil Duggan, was on @BBCRadio4 claiming a real success in increasing the participation of women, “Parkrun is really proud we have almost parity of genders” Parkrun’s self-ID policy allows any male to register in the ‘female’ category; invalidating their claims

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·1d

@EnarialP @mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @ForWomenScot @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 Her records breaking achievement was being recognized in an article posted on here to evidence that parkrun was competitive, but some felt emboldened to remark that she looked like a man. My conclusion is that what's obvious to one is not so obvious to another at first sight.

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Enarial Perry@EnarialP·1d

@JerryManderkx @mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @ForWomenScot @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 I've just looked at images of her & she looks nothing like a man! It's even easier to tell in rl but ID can be discreetly requested if there is doubt. PR could start by stating the categories are biological sex, not "gender" & stop encouraging men to register in the female one.

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·1d

@thefempire50 @ForWomenScot @mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 "badgering women"? I asked her one question, prompted by her insistence that it's easy to see males who are competing as females. That's badgering?

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Lola@thefempire50·1d

@JerryManderkx @ForWomenScot @mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 So you are badgering Mara about a hypothetical that you don’t even know will happen over a run that is supposed to be fun according to park run but apparently men will cheat? Why don’t you take this up with Park run instead of badgering women?

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·1d

@thefempire50 @ForWomenScot @mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 How would I know? I'm just accepting of the fact that cheating happens, not why an individual chooses to. Maybe they don't treat it as a fun run! I don't regard running as much fun personally, but it's good for me, gets me out of the house at the weekend and I meet new friends.

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Lola@thefempire50·1d

@JerryManderkx @ForWomenScot @mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 Why would they ‘cheat’ if it’s just ‘for fun’?

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·1d

@ForWomenScot @thefempire50 @mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 I do get that impression from reading Mara's weekly updates.

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For Women Scotland@ForWomenScot·1d

@JerryManderkx @thefempire50 @mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 Parkrun seems uniquely stuffed with men who think rules are there to be broken - esp around women.

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·1d

@thefempire50 @ForWomenScot @mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 I can think of no argument that justifies showing the time recorded by a male as being a female parkrun course record. People cheat. Sad people, but nonetheless they do. I'm not being judgemental of the trans community any more than of another demographic in saying that.

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Lola@thefempire50·1d

@ForWomenScot @JerryManderkx @mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 We simply have their time adjusted and move to the correct category. Although what we know from their past behaviour is that these men will kick up quite a stink and try to find ways to punish women for having boundaries. Look at Lauren Jeska for example.

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·1d

@thefempire50 @mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @ForWomenScot @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 Don't get me wrong Lola. I trust in human nature and 99.9% of the time, people will comply with rules even if they don't like them. But Mara hasn't given us an accepted tolerance level for breaches. If it's zero, is the onus not on parkrun to detect and act? How?

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Lola@thefempire50·1d

@JerryManderkx @mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @ForWomenScot @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 Parkrun should simply ask people to register by their sex like they currently trust people to register by the correct age. Why would anyone not do that?

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·1d

@mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @ForWomenScot @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 Do you deny that posters looked at a picture of Innes Fitzgerald after she set the Exmouth course record in January and said she was a man. What were they using? Their sense of smell perhaps! What lengths should parkrun go to in order to protect categories? An easy question!

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Mara Yamauchi@mara_yamauchi·1d

@gingerneilnc @How86917508 @jackiecahill5 @ForWomenScot @BBCRadio4 @sharrond62 I can see very well with my own eyes who the men are, Neil. As can everyone else. You really are extremely committed to men destroying fairness for females in parkrun, aren’t you? Why? Pathological hatred of women? Hate women like me & Claire who can actually run fast?

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·1d

@JennyAscendant @HallisseyC I genuinely have no idea what proportion of the parkrun community view the presence of a few transgender women in the female category as a big issue. 'X' is no accurate weathervane of that, a cesspit of hatred/division and ill informed opinion from those with no skin in the game.

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Jenny Ascendant@JennyAscendant·1d

@HallisseyC Disingenuous. Spending months pressuring a participation charity to redesign itself around sex-policed reporting, while misrepresenting its purpose & structure, & then act baffled that people find that divisive. “We mean well” is not a defence. The propaganda is wearing thin.

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·1d

@gingerneilnc @sharrond62 Don't suppose you know when it was? It might be that I missed a couple of weeks around then, but if anyone knows I can check back. Might explain why I never noticed.

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Sharron Davies HoL MBE@sharrond62·2d

The point is… it matters to men in their category, huge outcry when regards removed, so why shouldn’t it matter to women?

Claire Hallissey@HallisseyC

One of the craziest arguments I've seen in the parkrun debate is that women shouldn't care about fairness because there are no prizes. Winning and prizes aren't the point. A non-race with no prizes should still be fair to women when publishing results in a female category.

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·1d

@gingerneilnc @sharrond62 Say that again! I think you mean many weren't bothered. Those that were made more noise. I still don't know exactly what vanished and was then restored. There were never any gaps in the results emails I received.

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·2d

@rthonbwooster @DaveClancy90687 @sharrond62 Not for each run they don't, (at least I don't think so) but the course average time is kept up to day on the home pages. It helps me if touring to know what I might get faced with difficulty wise. Very useful as it's often what I target to stay ahead of on the day.

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Braddock alias Thorne 🇬🇧@rthonbwooster·2d

@JerryManderkx @DaveClancy90687 @sharrond62 Unless I'm mistaken (which has been known), they don't publish those. Are you suggesting that everyone download all the times into a spreadsheet and then average them or something? Seems a lot of hassle and only for a minority. (Prior to Strava, I used a spreadsheet for my runs.)

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Sharron Davies HoL MBE@sharrond62·2d

Parkrun can… A.Remove placing & course records & everyone run together in one big inclusive category B. Add a category for females so they can have their own records & places based on SC law, reality & biology

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·2d

@rthonbwooster @DaveClancy90687 @sharrond62 The course average time is a good indicator to measure against if placings do end up getting removed.

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Braddock alias Thorne 🇬🇧@rthonbwooster·2d

@DaveClancy90687 @sharrond62 This isn't true. Parkruns are on different surfaces: I used to live near one which is all off road and can be very muddy after rain. Whether you did well or badly on a given day can't always be compared to your best time; you compare yourself to other people. As you must know.

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·2d

@RunningWomanXX Thanks for sharing. Interesting. I'm sure we could delve much deeper into tomes of research into this and still be left scratching our heads. Well I would be. If you want a 😂, Google Monique Marvez on YouTube "You Will Never Be Able To Change A Man". - 10.13 Comedy Dry Bar.

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Ten@RunningWomanXX·2d

@JerryManderkx I don't feel my age (occasionally my knees remind me). Inside, I feel decades younger & my sense of self is a younger self. And then I see my reflection & realise I'm not that age anymore & that hurts! But I can't identify into a different age category - my age is my age.

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Colin Wynter KC@QcWynter·5d

Update on "women love blokes running as faux women at Park Run" Following my request to hear from happy women, I have heard from 3 purported women, one of whom is a "she/her", one who went all abusive ("you tool") & the other who asserted that "transwomen (sic) are women". Hmmm.

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·2d

@FrauBluchar @SportSEENuk @parkrunUK @BBCRadio4 @wsusportsunion @Sport_England @DCMS @parkrun I wasn't insisting anything, just stating why her claim isn't invalid imo. There are people of both sexes who identify as transgender. Neither are sufficient in number to make their self ID into the male and female categories statistically meaningful.

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Frau Blüchar@FrauBluchar·2d

@JerryManderkx @SportSEENuk @parkrunUK @BBCRadio4 @wsusportsunion @Sport_England @DCMS @parkrun Female is a biological term, not an self selected label. Only an MRA would insist that everyone word in the English language used to describe women can be claimed by men if they want it.

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SEENinSport@SportSEENuk·3d

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Eight of Nine@JerryManderkx·2d

@FrauBluchar @Cathcupoftea357 @SportSEENuk @parkrunUK @BBCRadio4 @wsusportsunion @Sport_England @DCMS @parkrun I agree that she should have pointed that out.

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Frau Blüchar@FrauBluchar·2d

@JerryManderkx @Cathcupoftea357 @SportSEENuk @parkrunUK @BBCRadio4 @wsusportsunion @Sport_England @DCMS @parkrun She didn't say the parity was on the basis of "gender identity" though, she mislead listeners into thinking it was sex.

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@JennyAscendant @speakoutsister @NathanielHart72 @80percentvegan @HallisseyC @EnarialP @mara_yamauchi @gingerneilnc