@RiseoftheAlbG @rusnipeaceda1 @TouchlineX He's not Liverpools most successfull manager by a long shot
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Johnjohn
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@rusnipeaceda1 @TouchlineX No, You just lack the level of awareness/experience to know what he is talking about. Liverpool's most successful manager. But sure, Andy from X can tell us more about social intelligence.
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🚨🗣️ Jurgen Klopp: "It's true that I treat each individual player differently. And sometimes a player would come up to me and say: 'You would NEVER speak the same way to me like you did to him!".
And I would respond: "No, I wouldn't. Because he grew up in Argentina in a house with no windows, and you grew up in Munich. And now you want me to treat YOU the same way I treat HIM? Growing up in places like Argentina or Senegal is different than growing up in Munich!"
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@TheMarinoMartin @Badtakejustin No Vince was the promoter, it was his ideas but he wouldn't have done it without Hogan
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It’s asinine that folks on this app cannot distinguish popularity vs influence.
Hogan debatably is the most popular wrestler ever, based on drawing & merch.
Influence not even in the convo. Hogan had minimal impact on style, psychology or spots propagated through the industry
Dominic DeAngelo | Studio 1 Sports 📡@DominicDeAngelo
Like him or not, it's indisputable that Hulk Hogan is the most influential wrestler of all time. The discourse trying to argue otherwise is ludicrous. And to try to discredit him saying he "benefitted from the time" instead of "he knew what the hell he was doing" is asinine.
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@amir7iqbal_amir @groovybmovie Yeah he learnt it from paul McCartney
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@groovybmovie this makes no sense, MJ owned some of Taylor swifts and Eminem’s masters when they were just starting out, he knew good business that’s all.
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I don’t have a horse in that race at all but like…if the Beatles had no impact and MJ is the only one that’s relevant, why did he want to own their masters?
Lukas Mercury | Michael era@Lsmercuryy
Seeing too much beatles slander from mj fans, wrap that up
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@amir7iqbal_amir @Dannynn__ Charlie Chaplin is the most famous celebrity to ever live
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@Dannynn__ yeah man, because the most famous celebrity to ever exist bringing awaremess to prejudice, racism and environmental issues is totally not a good thing at all.
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Songs like this and Earth song are absolute garbage. The most meager political statement that's really all about making himself the focus.
Godbless Jarvis Cocker for mooning this nutcase when he tried to present himself as some Jesus like figure at the Brit awards
iza@izamamaa
Michael Jackson had the entire country fired up and divided after dropping “They Don’t Care About Us.
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@mybravefaces Shelter skelter is not metal and purple haze is more heavy metal
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@groovybmovie He didn't own their masters. He owned their publishing rights.
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@GeeOhEnZeeOHHH @murphdogg29 Why? What did they do that was special.
At the same time Brian was making pet sounds, Zappa was making freak out
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@murphdogg29 There are people (like me) who dislike the Beatles in a way that nobody actively dislikes Prince. No one "hates" Prince right?
Plus the Beach Boys should generally be talked about the way the Beatles are, but they're not, and I resent them for that too.
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The same way I see some white folk downgrading Prince, prime MJ or even Beyonce, I see a lot of Black folk downgrading the Beatles. I get it. White artists get a lot of overhyped glory (see Elvis). But the Beatles were the real deal, mane. Broke a lot of ground. Just saying.
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@murphdogg29 @AmLit7 He should be. He's not a good a guitarist.
But anybody who's famous will get criticised I mean Eddie van halen and Clapton get criticised.
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@AmLit7 Man....In the past I've seen white dismissive tones on Prince a lot. It's gotten much better. But usually it's about Prince as a guitarist. They downplay him there.
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@GeeOhEnZeeOHHH @murphdogg29 @blaculascream McCartney. The rest didn't care. And most of the love of the beach boys by beatles ew pushed by the beach boys fans. The Beatles were listening to Zappa and Beefhart
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@murphdogg29 @blaculascream The Beatles worshipped Brian Wilson tho
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@jackalter @piperocktheory I don't think that's controversial.
Several songs by wacko jacko would be some of the best songs any act had written.
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@piperocktheory you are not a massive beatles fan if you think dont stop till you get enough "clears" about 80% of their discography
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You didn’t. Michael Jackson is guilty, but she was absolutely right here and you were a dick.
I’m a massive Beatle fan and “Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough” maybe clears about 80% of their discography (“Rock with You” is probably on level with or better than a top Beatle song).
Cyril@CyrilH44
I dunked on her and now she’s crashing out
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@davemeltzerWON Can you explain how Hogan wasn't known in Mexico despite wrestling in front of big crowds there and regularly appearing in the magazines
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Bruno was very strong in the sense he could work 2-3 matches with the same opponent and work monthly and usually drew well if the TV was strong. Sometimes with weak TV he didn't draw. Hogan wasn't as good as Bruno with return matches nor did he work monthly as they found out in 1984 if he worked too often in the same market his numbers went down. SF area notable they booked him monthly trying (and succeeding) in winning the market from AWA, and was doing 10,000 early and fell to 2,500 for a match with Ventura (who was ill and missed the show, replaced by George Steele but Ventura not being there was never announced). So they used him less frequently and he drew much better.
Matthew Randazzo V@RandazzoTweets
@davemeltzerWON that and Bruno/Londos has consistent drawing power over a very long period of time without mult deadzones that Hogan had for one. Longson is another question altogether that I am not educated enough on.
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@RandazzoTweets @davemeltzerWON Except Hogan drew in big markets for three decades. What are we doing here?
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@davemeltzerWON Yeah, hence my argument that I think you can't rate guys like Bruno < Hogan without major thought. The guy drew regularly in many of the biggest markets in world on a repeated basis for two decades in a way Hogan categorically couldn't.
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@davemeltzerWON @PDale44 He literally wrestled in Mexico as a main eventer
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Nobody is holding it against anyone. It's the myth that everyone in the world knew the guy in the 80s which is nowhere near accurate. Even today, there are many place where there is almost no pro wrestling knowledge whatsoever by the public. It's like saying Bruno was known worldwide and me pointing out that wasn't the case, and arguing that if Vince's father got TV all over the world he would be. That penetration is the key to everything.
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Not in primes. In the U.S., Canada, Europe, Japan and a few other countries for sure. WWF only had penetration in Europe, US, Canada, Japan and Australia/New Zealand in the 80s. It got much bigger since Hogans prime. Even in Mexico, Hogan was not known (Ernesto Ocampo has brought that up this week). Hogan was very well known in Japan in his prime for New Japan, not WWF.
Richard Dowle@RichD_00
@davemeltzerWON Hogan was more globally recognisable in his prime than Cena. Go to any developed country in the world and ask them to name five wrestlers throughout history, Hogan will tally highest. Rock’s unparalleled fame is through movies. Hogan’s cultural icon status is through wrestling.
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@davemeltzerWON He literally main evented a show in front of 15,000 down in Mexico as wwf champion in 1984.
You know as you wrote about back then.
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@davemeltzerWON Not known in Mexico
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Roy Lucier@roylucier
July 31st, 1983 at El Toreo de Cuatro Caminos in Mexico City. Hulk Hogan makes his Mexico City debut (Inoki arranged the booking) as he teams with Gran Hamada against El Canek and Perro Aguayo. Hogan was a huge success, and would return a year later to defend the WWF title against El Canek
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@davemeltzerWON Let's remember Hogan was main eventing wwe ppvs when Cena was champion
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“Don’t believe the evidence presented in a court of law, believe in my version of “Judge Judy Trial by TV””
What a way to make a living…
Variety@Variety
“Leaving Neverland” director Dan Reed says the public can’t see Michael Jackson as a pedophile because he has “metastasized into something much bigger than who he actually was": "He’s become part of the collective imagination, and the collective imagination can never include the fact that he’s a pedophile. It’s just not possible. You can’t say, God, that guy liked to have sex with children, but isn’t his music great? That’s not a narrative people can hold in their minds." variety.com/2026/film/feat…
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@OldSchoolerG @davemeltzerWON He and his readers at the time suggested he had made no difference to wwfs box office.
He obviously won't claim that now but his feelings towards Hulk surely cloud his reporting. It certainly has with Flair considering their friendship
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@Johnjohnjohn250 @davemeltzerWON That explains everything then. Thank you for sharing.
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Hogan didn't create a business. Hogan did not preside over the best paying place in the world (Vince did). Hogan was never anywhere near the cultural figure. Yes, one country, but Japan quickly became the No. 1 market in the world for pro wrestling under his auspices. Hogan was big in more countries, but you can't even compare influence. There would be no Japanese wrestling without Riki. At times Japan was the No. 1 market in the world.
Scott Buchman@sbuchman
@davemeltzerWON This is silly. Rikidozan was a Japanese icon and an important figure in that country. Hogan eclipsed him 100 times over on a global market. Filling stadiums in Japan for a few years when the country was still mostly rubble and under American occupation is not remotely the same.
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