@Ourlads_Sy Obviously. But you don’t make a run defense any better moving on from the best NT in football either
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Jonathan Wallace
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One player does not make a run defense. Even a dominant run stuffing DT.
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@Iamthemane4 @meteo5f @tracegirouard48 @ChatSports It’s going to take more than Breese and a 3 that’s all I know
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@JonathanWa14337 @meteo5f @tracegirouard48 @ChatSports Breese is a starter in the league at minimum while Mazi Smith isn’t even an nfl player and Breese is younger than Lawerence so trading him AND a premium draft pick for an aging vet it wild
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@UnderdogNFL @JordanRaanan I don’t know who people think Jordan is, but I promise he isn’t speaking with people that do any negotiating and even if he was they aren’t telling him anything near what their top dollar is going to be because why would they do that?
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General consensus around league is DT Dexter Lawrence could return a late 1st-round pick or 2nd-round pick if traded, per @JordanRaanan.
Underdog NFL@UnderdogNFL
Schefter: DT Dexter Lawrence requests trade from the Giants.
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@CalebIsHim @jimwolff12 @Easton__Butler I’m sure all of the other people Jordan talked to knew exactly what their best offer would be if talks got serious and offered that information to him
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@AdamH16105958 @TFG_Football Using that specific post as the basis suggests to me that he takes issue with the take. Maybe it’s just the format of the take too though I don’t know
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@JonathanWa14337 @TFG_Football He isn't being flamed for being critical of Bain. It's because he thinks that anybody that didnt play in the league shouldn't have an opinion. And then he has hot takes constantly but gets emotional, dismissive, and just shitty when people casually disagree.
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@INTPhoenixRay @TFG_Football Of course not, and I think he’s going to be just fine. I’m just saying I get the argument. His measurements make him an anomaly in the NFL and his overall size profile is kind of a tweener. Hard to imagine him in a lot of 3-4 schemes and the lack of length could make things hard
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@JonathanWa14337 @TFG_Football The talent doesn’t magically go away because people on twitter noticed his arms are half an inch shorter than others.
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@HGrahamNFL If a team is really interested why would they go around telling everyone that they would go as high as say, the Quinnen William deal? This tells us nothing in my opinion
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@TheJetPress I think the best argument against this is just the fact that they don’t want to trade him and have basically nothing stopping them from paying him what he wants
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for the record i don’t think Lawrence is traded but…..
…..if he is i would be very surprised if the Giants got as much for him as the Jets did for Quinnen.
Big Blue United@BigBlueUnited
Quinnen Williams was traded for 2027 first-round pick, a 2026 second-round pick, and defensive tackle Mazi Smith. That is the floor for any Dexter Lawrence deal IMO. If you don't get it, don't move him. Personally, I'd much rather pay Dex than trade him. Giants NEED Dex.
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@Iamthemane4 @meteo5f @tracegirouard48 @ChatSports Breese is better than Mazi Smith. Doesn’t mean him and a 3rd are going to get you an all pro NT
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@JonathanWa14337 @meteo5f @tracegirouard48 @ChatSports Breese is way better than “mazi smith” dude it’ll prolly closer to Breese and a 3rd than the pointless trade the cowgirls made back in November after trading away a HOF talent for no reason
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@JordanRaanan How could that be the case? Just give away possibly the best true NT I’ve ever seen
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Asked around the league and the general consensus appears to be that IF the Giants were willing to trade Dexter Lawrence the return would be in the range of late first-round pick to second-rounder.
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@Iamthemane4 @meteo5f @tracegirouard48 @ChatSports The Cowboys traded Mazi Smith a 2027 first and and 2026 2nd for Williams. It’s probably closer to that than Breese and a 3rd
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@JonathanWa14337 @meteo5f @tracegirouard48 @ChatSports Yeah the cowboys with yet another dumbass move trading a generational pass rusher for an old ass DT and another DT whose getting up there in age really set the DT market high
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What would you trade for him to be next to Chris Jones next year?
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
ESPN sources: Giants All-Pro defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence has requested a trade and he will not be participating in the team’s off-season workout program that opens Tuesday. Lawrence and the Giants have been through two off seasons attempting to negotiate a contract reflecting his value to the Giants over the last three years, but there has not been any progress, per sources.
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@meteo5f @tracegirouard48 @ChatSports The one that everyone thinks is hilarious because the Cardinals robbed the Texans? Why would anyone use that at as an example? It’s probably going to be closer to what Dallas gave up for Williams.
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@JonathanWa14337 @tracegirouard48 @ChatSports Do we need to remind you of the DeAndre Hopkins trade?
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@DustBaker The Vikings should 100% do this. The Giants would hangup and mail a box of feces to their facility
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The Vikings should do this:
Giants Get --
No. 18
No. 82
Vikings Get --
Dexter Lawrence
No. 37
Could work. 🤷♂️
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
ESPN sources: Giants All-Pro defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence has requested a trade and he will not be participating in the team’s off-season workout program that opens Tuesday. Lawrence and the Giants have been through two off seasons attempting to negotiate a contract reflecting his value to the Giants over the last three years, but there has not been any progress, per sources.
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@PeytonRaider This is absolutely valid. I don’t think Mendoza is close to the same prospect as either of those 3 guys
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@Gmen0117 @clt_ny @billbarnwell I said I want them to trade down for the reasons you mentioned. Gaining another top 100 pick should be a huge emphasis. I just prefer they try to get value in a trade like that
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@JonathanWa14337 @clt_ny @billbarnwell You’re looking at it the wrong way imo. You’re gaining a 3rd which they dont have. And another late rounder which can be used for a depth piece while getting rid of a player that has been a massive disappointment.
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@geneclemons @ThisIsNotZain I mean it’s not as complicated as all that. In 10/2023 they sent Leo off for a 2024 2nd and a 2025 5th and in 4/2024 they sent a 2024 2nd and a 2025 5th for Burns and and pick swap. It’s basically 1 for 1 here
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@JonathanWa14337 @ThisIsNotZain We are not going to do that. We are not going to 6 degrees of separation this things. That was not the trade.
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@clt_ny @Gmen0117 @billbarnwell Sure but even by that model you gain the equivalent of a 5th round pick in pick value to give away Banks and let the saints take their guy at 5. Doesn’t seem worth it
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@JonathanWa14337 @Gmen0117 @billbarnwell You use JJ, I use Rich Hill. Every team is has their own chart.
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@Gmen0117 @clt_ny @billbarnwell It’s not gospel but I’m going on the JJ trade value chart. 5=1700
8+73+172= 1647.6
So lose overall value by this metric ok the picks alone plus a player with maybe more upside that could be tapped into
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@JonathanWa14337 @clt_ny @billbarnwell How? Moving down 3 spots and getting rid of a player that no one in this fan base likes. It makes total sense.
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