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@ValtoryDev First time I saw someone poke the beehive with this point. Generally debates about this don't even have the chance to get there before some side rant. And honestly, I don't think most ppl care, even if you do a small stickman, as long they can infer "kid" it's enough.

Ahora entienden la diferencia? por mas que les duela Diana es una niña estilizada usando principios de belleza adulta (y eso da asco) No modelan desde un niño real 👉 Sino desde un “modelo base atractivo” (muchas veces adulto) 👉 Y luego lo ajustan con: ojos más grandes cara más redonda rasgos suavizados >>>>> ENTIENDEN ahora porque da rechazo y normalizan estas "sutilezas" que estan mal? vengan de a mil

@SodralPiece Melhor colocação de um BR que vi até agora, a maioria esta tentando apelar para desculpazinha de "preservar cultura", fala serio, todo mundo sabe que o povo chama qualquer coisa de cultura hoje em dia só por conveniência de argumento.

🚨 Minha resposta sobre mangá pirateado no Brasil 🚨 Bom, pra começar, é errado e ponto final. Pirataria é errado e é crime, seja no Brasil, ou no Japão. Não podemos confundir liberdade com impunidade. Precisamos também analisar o contexto econômico e social. No Japão é muito mais fácil consumir mangá, seja pelo acesso por parte das editoras, quanto pelo preço acessível. No Brasil, por sua vez é muito difícil. Poucas editoras credenciadas, pouco acesso digital e nem se fala do preço. A ideia de quantidade de obras no Japão e no Brasil de mangá é dissonante, não vale a pena comparar. Mas agora, imagina você, dedicar anos da sua vida treinando suas habilidades pra que no fim, ao ser serializado, sua obra é amplamente divulgada e famosa, mas você não tira tanto retorno disso por causa da pirataria. Esse é um lado da moeda, apesar de exagerado e não muito realista. Quase um caso caricato. O outro lado é, milhões de fãs apaixonados pela cultura japonesa e por mangás não podem consumi-la por que simplesmente não existe oportunidade. Muitas vezes é falta de interesse por parte das editoras no Japão? Pode até ser. Mas eu não vejo ninguém se levantando pra fundar uma editora e trazer mais mangás pro Brasil. O que eu vejo é a cada dia mais, mais grupos como as "scanlator" surgindo. Por que? Nossa paixão por mangás é tão rala que não conseguimos sequer fundar uma editora credenciada no Brasil? Não. É simplesmente caro. Muito caro pra população brasileira. Apenas poucos vão conseguir fazer isso. Além do sacrifício monetário, há também o sacrifício do tempo pessoal. Dito isso tudo, precisamos entender de vez que a pirataria é sim ILEGAL e um CRIME. Ela populariza e garante acesso às obras? Sim, mas isso não muda o fato. Eu rezo pra que mais editoras possam surgir no futuro garantindo mais qualidade e melhor precificação.

@TakumiTakumado Interessante a ideia, mas é meio falho a logica não? Sem considerar a questão do feeder, esse site ae tem boa parte do conteúdo raw/original ainda, ou seja, não é dae que a maioria a maioria dos "consumidores" ao redor do mundo pega, a redistribuição é feita em outros sites.

Pirataria só é daora quando eles fazem

@oXYqJxKWcP3Hn74 @Lucas_Azedi 2/2 Now about piracy, there is a lot of pros/cons arguments that indeed people are telling the truth, but the "real market" perspective is a bit more complex here, I will not be able to fit in one answer, but it's truth that most BRs don't mean any harm when doing that.

@Lucas_Azedi そちらの文章にあった。どんな手段でもといった部分が、多くの日本人に理解されないと思います。 これらの相違は歴史や経緯の問題なのだろうか？

Explicar pirataria para japoneses é engraçado porque você pode argumentar que milhões de crianças pobres só podiam jogar video game por jogos piratas e eles vão responder que essas crianças são ladrões comparáveis a quem rouba pão de padaria e que elas não deviam jogar os jogos

@oXYqJxKWcP3Hn74 @Lucas_Azedi 1/2 I am Brazilian, he's saying "art should be accessible to everyone, independent how they get". And I gonna be blunt, "culture" on brazil is a "very convenient word", ppl use here to anything, even extremely bad things that many fell ashamed of saying is from here.

@Lucas_Azedi @oXYqJxKWcP3Hn74 A sim, a galera la que traz a arte de colocar o dedo um no cu do outro, fazer filme só sobre bandidagem, e chama funk vulgar de cultura. A vei, eu sou BR, e nem eu consigo comprar esse discurso, o povo aqui só usa a palavra cultura sempre que convêm pra qlq coisa.

@oXYqJxKWcP3Hn74 Outra questão é que vermos livros, jogos, mangás e animes como arte e cultura e no Brasil existe uma moral grande que cultura e arte deve ser acessível a todos, independente da forma que a pessoa conseguiu, mas como eu disse, quando conseguimos empregos bons, compramos tudo

@Lucas_Azedi Pra ser justo, não sei se vc falou igual nesse post, mas aqui seu exemplo foi péssimo, pq alguém roubando pão pode estar com fome, comparar isso com alguém que tem um aparelho eletrônico pra jogar, e quer ter prazer com um jogo... É um exemplo ruim kk

@LotteWeiss1 @MizutamariVT Do you understand that the logic you are supporting here will allow to ban the games you like? You will not be able to say "don't play if you don't like", because you just nullified this argument now, by saying that what matters is popular approval, and not individual agreement.

@JorgeSakar @MizutamariVT Yes.

One of the interesting arguments the JP side has had against Stop Killing Games is that to make an offline version or would cost 50% to 100% more of the games original budget to do it. I'm not sure if this is just a blatant lie, genuine incompetence or total ignorance. We have guys with no access to the source code able to reverse engineer servers with, relatively speaking, minimal effort. If Joe Everyman can do it for 0 dollars in his basement without the nessecary information, how come companies that actually have that information apparently can't do?

@8ulAlex @ZeusArcade Ironically I never liked him. But that doesn't mean his arguments are wrong, still, I am defending my ow ideas, not his. Other thing, his an hypocrite on this one topic, because he praised a lot of CN intervention on games, now that one can affect him he don't like.

@JorgeSakar @ZeusArcade Pirate software i found you

🚨 NO MÁS JUEGOS MUERTOS 🚨 ​El movimiento Stop Killing Games contraataca con una nueva ley en California para proteger tus juegos 🛡️ ​🎮 Puntos clave del proyecto a partir de 2027: • Obliga a incluir un modo offline tras el cierre de servidores 📉 • Si no es posible mantenerlo jugable, devolución total del dinero 💰 • Objetivo: Proteger la propiedad digital y la preservación histórica 🏛️ ▶️ Surge tras cierres polémicos como el de The Crew. Busca acabar con los juegos que se vuelven "pisapapeles" digitales Además el parlamento Europeo lo debatir mañana mismo👀 ​💬 ¿Crees que esta ley debería aplicarse en todo el mundo?

@LotteWeiss1 @MizutamariVT So if later the gov enforce you to sell a product you made, enforcing conditions you don't agree, would you be fine with that? And remember, this is using state intervention to have entertainment, so if later someone use on you, all they need is a excuse on the same level.

@JorgeSakar @MizutamariVT They should be forced to do it

@tanoshimu_time Let me put this just a disclaimer: I was talking about the SKG consequences if it becomes a law (in any place), and not about existent US laws. So this is not in practice yet, so sorry if caused some misunderstanding. And caution with X translations too, it's bit weird sometimes.

こんなルールでどうやって作品作って売るの？ 面倒臭すぎて私ならやらない 自分の作品をどう売るかの権利が作家にないとか、企業が著作権買い上げてて作家には還元されないとか アメリカにも全く自由がないな

@Desickkcised @AonekoSS @dokugaku_tech Since when did SKG became an US law?

@JorgeSakar @AonekoSS @dokugaku_tech I know well enough. But we're talking in reference to the law as a concept, which is what you brought up originally. Exactly. that's why these Japanese companies can either deal with how business and law works in America, or they can choose not to play ball in America.

「Stop Killing Games」のまとめ。 なんかいっぱい絡まれたから海外ニキと対話（レスバじゃないよw）した結果、要求のレベルが３段階くらいあるのが分かった。 サ終してもオフラインで動くようにしろ派： いまカリフォルニア州法に提出されてるライン。 メーカーにとっては対応コスト高すぎなんや。どないすんねん…… サーバー立てる為にソースを公開しろ派： つまり俺らでサーバー立ててホスティングするわって話。 ソースコードなんていう知財と企業秘密の塊をほいほい公開できるわけないやろアホタレって返した。（もう少し優しい言い方） 勝手に解析してサーバー立てるから黙認しろ派： いまニーアのプライベートサーバーで盛り上がってる界隈かな。 サーバー自体が法に触れるかは難しいけど、そのサーバーに繋ぐよう改造したアプリを撒くなら、それは紛れもなく「海賊版」なんだよね。 あと共通点として。 ゲームをオフライン版に改修するコストがほぼゼロだと思ってるっぽい。 ゲームは「購入」して「所有」するものという認識で、ライブサービスを受けている自覚がない。 大手メーカーをすげー嫌ってる。（でもゲームは買ってプレイしている） だいたいこんな感じかな。 英語とスペイン語が多くて、英語話者もヨーロッパのアカウントが多い感じだった。

@Desickkcised @AonekoSS @dokugaku_tech Or more directly, I made a game, I want to sell with these conditions, you didn't agree? Then no deal, you can't accept my deal and expect to demand other things later. And my game is not a necessity, is entertainment, so you have no moral justification to impose terms on me.

@JorgeSakar @AonekoSS @dokugaku_tech Way to intentionally miss my point. And yes. That is actually how it works. Refer to the FCC and swearing on public airwaves. I can't pay someone to swear in public airwaves, which is us putting a condition on the radio host. It's always been part of American Law.

@Desickkcised @AonekoSS @dokugaku_tech Cursing is lack of etiquete, it has nothing to do with terms or contracts. The situation is literally going to the dancer and saying "you gonna dance just the song I want, and not anything else, even if others want to pay you for that". You are imposing conditions on others deals

@JorgeSakar @AonekoSS @dokugaku_tech The law is full of personal interests. It's why certain things are banned. This is nothing like your dancer example. This is more of asking a dancer to make sure they don't swear at their audience, since we're asking developers to not screw over gamers.

@MattWallace888 I just really hope that this is NOT the music they are really hearing... It's soo sad, the worst part of the country is the exported one. They probably don't even know what bs is being said in the lyrics.

A reminder that Japan has almost no “diversity” and is one of the safest/nicest places on earth

@Desickkcised @AonekoSS @dokugaku_tech It's sad, but it's their right, is like saying you are good dancer but I can't see because you charge too much, so what? Now I should have the right to force you to dance for me? So yes, I mean their wallet, law is a neutral power to comprehend principles, not personal interest.

@JorgeSakar @AonekoSS @dokugaku_tech Isn't that literally using their own power? If people band together to force lawmakers to make laws that give them what they want, thats using their own powers. Unless you mean "vote with your wallet", it's cruel to fans to have to miss out on content because devs are greedy

@LotteWeiss1 @MizutamariVT The problem is not doing, is more about forcing them to do, is like me deciding how you should do your own work and then how much I should pay for it.

@MizutamariVT Back in the dark ages of the 1990s and 2000s every online game had LAN play and player-hosted servers. Eventually corpos realized always online and killing games is more profitable. Not sure why people pretend this is some impossible, unreasonable thing.

@AonekoSS @dokugaku_tech That's exactly their point. They don't like service model, but at the same time they keep consuming, and instead of using their own power to make demands, they want to enforce by law to get what they want, hoping this will benefit them, same with gacha and etc. It's a virtue mask

@dokugaku_tech どうやら彼らは、ソシャゲの新作というか Games as a Service という提供のされ方そのものを潰したがっているみたい。

@AonekoSS @Dyxankw It's not the time, their community mostly never read the thing, just heard about "intentions" without considering consequences. In general SKG would do exactly what you guys understood, including live services games, it force them to "give the server, or make an offline version".

自分が思うに、タイミングが悪すぎたんだよ。 ニーアのプライベートサーバーが話題に挙がった２日後に、カリフォルニアの州法をニュースサイトが取り上げた。 しかもそのニュースには、規制の対象が「オンラインゲーム」と書かれていた。 だから日本のゲーマーや開発者が過剰に反応したし、Stop Killing Games運動の支持者達と衝突したんだ。 運動の支持者って、だいたいライブサービスという提供形態そのものを嫌ってるでしょ？ でも実際のところ、ニーアのようなF2Pのゲームは、カリフォルニアの州法では規制の対象外なんだよね。 その部分を両者が見落としているかもしれない。不幸な事故だと思うよ。