Justobserving

@Molly2323232323 Thousands?! Where is your data from?

Don't worry, there are thousands of unemployed GPs who will be happy to take back their GP jobs You know, the GP jobs which have been taken by nurse quacks

@BBCBreakfast Seen as percentiles. Doctors are higher earners that typically fall ~90th percentile, depending on grade (seniors >98th percentile). Doctors are simply experiencing the same thing as most higher-earners in the UK - they are not being singled out for unique treatment.

@BBCBreakfast Should men be entitled to "pay restoration?". Based on this chart (IFS) and BMA logic, then yes. Of course, charts need to be taken in context. In this case, there in an important confounder. Men tend to have higher earners, and this group has seen more real wage compression.

Senior doctors in the NHS in England will begin voting today on whether to take strike action later this year. Dr Shanu Datta from the British Medical Association told #BBCBreakfast their pay has been 'eroded since 2008' and they want more time for non-surgical tasks bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cp…

@jaatoru @DocShivSharma Seen as percentiles. Doctors are higher earners that typically fall ~90th percentile, depending on grade (seniors >98th percentile). Doctors are simply experiencing the same thing as most higher-earners in the UK - they are not being singled out for unique treatment.

@jaatoru @DocShivSharma Should men be entitled to "pay restoration?". Based on this chart (IFS) and BMA logic, then yes. Of course, charts need to be taken in context. In this case, there in an important confounder. Men tend to have higher earners, and this group has seen more real wage compression.

Another graph showing doctors have suffered one of the steepest real terms pay cuts in both public and private sector. The next workforce plan must seriously consider how pay is being set if it truly wants a sustainable and driven workforce. Pay for NHS staff must be restored.

@JJ0seph7 @BBCBreakfast The latest OECD report has UK specialists earnings $162k vs OECD average at $133k, all adjusted for purchasing power.

@Justobserv76205 @BBCBreakfast Also to add, most oecd countries have increased wages in real terms since 2008 citing worse conditions for doctors and increased workloads. If you adjust for purchasing power most are above the UK by a significant amount. Most doctors in those countries get free parking, food ect

@JJ0seph7 @BBCBreakfast Unfortunately, the UK is not a wealthy country anymore. GDP per capita is 20% below AUS, and 35% below the US. It's not just healthcare in the bubble, it's the UK economy and wages (and it's not just doctors that are mobile).

@Justobserv76205 @BBCBreakfast Yes it’s not new but it is increasing which is concerning. A pay rise would bring them up to the market rates of other english speaking countries. They don’t even get guranteed progression anymore. The healthcare in the uk is a bubble now.

@Shr_Nottingham @DoctorsVoteUK Apples and oranges. A vehicle technician/MOT tester averages £35k annual salary in the UK. A new NHS consultant starts on £113k. There is a genuine conversation to be had about pay, but this is not it.

£95 an hour for labour to get the jam jar fixed That’s pretty much double what a new NHS consultant earns Makes sending these ballots back extremely easy!! (Bring on all the chat about overheads and small businesses 🤪🤪)

@BBCBreakfast Similar for resident doctors

@BBCBreakfast "What has received considerably less attention is the BMA’s choice of baseline...Prior to 2008-09, doctor’s pay went through a period of significant real terms increase." - TaxPayers Alliance, Apr 2026

@Melissa_S_Ryan Feel free to release your own data on pay progression from 2000-2009, since you understand it so well.

@Justobserv76205 And again, the erosion is hard to calculate across a contract exchange that changed banding and pay scales. I suggest you don’t comment on something that you do not understand

Far from the 92% target. Hard to hit this target without doctors. Shouldn’t you be working harder to address our eroded pay? And employment prospects? UKRDC is still in dispute and the consultants and SAS doctors are balloting for action. I suggest you negotiate quickly.

@Melissa_S_Ryan Charming. I was working on the assumption you care about fairness, transparency, ethics etc. But, understood, you just want to data-mine anything to support a pay rise and use industrial action and a union to bulldoze it through.

@Justobserv76205 FPR is an argument for restoring what has been lost. We are also entitled to ask for pay rises should we wish. Like any employee with an employer when they think a pay offer is insufficient. I don’t think we should be taking advice from an anon on the internet.

@Melissa_S_Ryan At a minimum, the BMA should pause any industrial action and seek advice from an economist as to whether this analysis, looking at percentiles, is relevant to your pay restoration argument.

@Justobserv76205 If this is still the same Nuffield report, it’s still with incorrect calculations. Repeatedly posting it doesn’t make it more true

@Melissa_S_Ryan The fact remains, in all of your charts, that you are comparing RD pay progression with the broad buckets that contain the lowest paid percentiles in the UK (the 10th percentile is ~£13k/annum). Misleading, to say the least.

@BBCBreakfast The BMA has cherry-picked using 2008 as a baseline, as they enjoyed massive pay rises through the 90s and 00s. Using almost any other year as the baseline, the argument disappears. BBC - verify this data!