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Jeroen Van den bogaert

@Jvdb91arrow

Artist, draws mostly oc's for my series and other things(sometimes nsfw) likes to hike, cycling, toy collector, love cats(have audhd) freedom of artistic speech

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Pagan@Pagan_GMR·
More Japanese creators speaking out... ignoring overseas antis and writing the stories they want. Rifujin na Magonote (Mushoku Tensei), Gege Akutami (Jujutsu Kaisen), Tatsuya Endo (Spy x Family) and many others are staying true to their vision. This is the energy we need. Real artists don’t bend. The tourists can cry... Japan keeps cooking 🔥 #ArtisticFreedom #Manga #Anime #JapaneseCreators
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Honestly this isnt my greatest choice in regards with a book about underground comix, since it goes about the artists from the comix
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BananaJuju 🍌🐒@BananaJuju_·
´´Artist´´ BE LIKE: -Artist opens commission -refuses to work with you -you look for other alternatives -Artist than get upset -Artist get no money 😭 -Makes angry call out post -promotes commission open and they STAY OPEN we went Full Circle
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@not__vee Thats why i am pro ai since those 3d artists and riggers are far too expensive for me to have my own vtuber model based on my oc im using as profile pic, and im mentally disabled with living wage. And maybe with ai it isnt a real vtuber but something that looks like it is enough
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Vee@not__vee·
x.com/Grxit/status/2… I mean i guess thats one way to look at it, but you do realise thats around 2 weeks of work, 8 hrs a day. Now divide that by the hour and see how much money that artist is making. Now you can say "well sure but you should still be replaced because its cheaper" Then how exactly can you argue that working class lads shouldnt be replaced with h1b visa indian workers for the same reason?
ꓕNIOԀꓤƎ⅁⅁Iꓤꓕ@Grxit

Let’s be real here. You don’t like AI because you won’t be able to charge ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS for a basic vtuber model

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If i was a scientist i would invent something to freeze the world! Since i hate summer heat!
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Savvy ( ˶ˆ꒳ˆ˵ )
Savvy ( ˶ˆ꒳ˆ˵ )@MadamSavvy·
This is a very good post to bring western world artists down to reality. The internet is accessible. This means people in poorer nations are able to access the internet. 10 years ago we had roughly 45%~ of the global population connected (idk how they collect this data) and apparently now it is very close to 70%. The homeless have phones with internet. All these "anti ai artists" do not need to worry about ai taking the job because those foreign artists in poor nations will take your job every time. you know what doesnt "take your job"? having a style people like - believe it or not people like authentic. Yes there are "knock off" markets, but people still go back to buy the original. The original is always more valuable. another thing that helps you grow so people see that beautiful style is having a non retard personality. making regular posts against ai does not make anyone want to work with you. if that worked, then all these anti ai people would be way bigger- they arent. none of the antis follow antis because they cant anti in an echo chamber. So no, "ai" is not your competition, retards. This is why it does not bother me. If people want to hire me, they will. Same goes for any other person. That is how it goes, how it has always been. Because the artist career is deeply oversaturated. It will always be competitive for the artist. (a lot of the dumbasses tend to conflate things so for their sake: saying ai isnt the issue is not absolving people who lie of their bullshit. anyone lying about how they make something or who is intentionally stealing and deceiving is not ok. but this has gone on FOREVER.)
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PaperBagBoy@PaperBagBoyyy·
Seeing so many artist lose it on creators who commissioned them simply for trying leaflits new AI tool is insane. This is why you will be replaced, you virtue signalers are giving real artists a bad name. Real artist don't fear AI because they KNOW they're better.
BananaJuju 🍌🐒@BananaJuju_

You worked for me, I paid you for it. This is how a business transaction works. I don´t deal with Virtual signalling!

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Crimson ✝️@OgCrimson8·
Goodnight, oomfs.
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@GlennHasABeard Just created some reptilians and a salamander, for a story idea i had for an alliance of subterranean reptiles, who also can shapeshift into humans
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Glenn Williams@GlennHasABeard·
Good morning What are you creating today?
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いたみ@itamiworks·
Your head is gonna explode when you find out I also produce/record music in my city for local bands. Unlike all of you that love feeling morally above others, I do enjoy technology. Let's feed Grok once more 🫡
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Meka┊VTuber 🧬✨
Meka┊VTuber 🧬✨@MechaKittn·
She is also driving positive change by providing competition. The quality artists don't care about AI usage because they know they're better than AI. I've seen artists become competitive instead of feeling defeated. They've improved their communication and customer service. The quality of their work has improved because they have that chip on their shoulder. Those artists should and will continue to get my/our business. AI isn’t driving out real talent. It’s exposing the complacent artists who were terrible at running a business.
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WARNING VERY LONG POST - Regarding @Leaflit 's Ai Vtuber avatar tool. I might upset some people and if it does you can tell me why in the comments - we can have a conversation. After the taking some time to really observe the entire "controversy" surrounding Leaflit's new Ai-powered Vtuber avatar tool. I really want to take this opportunity to give my own personal opinion, as someone who's neither very Anti-Ai or Pro-Ai...I'd like to think my perception of Ai is a mix of practical and ethical, of course that's just my own perception. I see Ai as basically a tool like any other, and what makes it bad or good is from the user who uses it and the key figures surrounding its development and growth. While I have been very critical of the tunnel-vision obsession with Ai by many corporations to the extent it has created real-world damage and to people's livelihoods... I think Leaflit's intentions with Ai is I am not afraid to say it - is POSITIVE. Why? Firstly, I think that over my time also being a legit Vtuber now, and meeting so many people from mutuals to followers who are telling me that Vtubing is something they want to do - one of if not the biggest brickwall has been getting a model just to get them started. Before I go further, I am going to make it clear that many Artists are just hard working honest people giving their time and effort for their craft and treat their clients right and fair. In fact I am VERY lucky to have found a very excellent Vtuber Artist and Rigger to do my Avatar - I am forever grateful to the both of them. So to be clear - I am talking specifically for a very SMALL subset of some Artists on a case-by-case basis, and their PERSONAL flaws. Sometimes its not just a matter of money, I have seen many cases where aspiring Vtubers have expressed that they are very ready and willing to fork out money for a commission...however its the other side, the Artist they want to commission who instead turn them away, whether it be because: 1. they arbitrarily decide aspirants are not worth their time, or if they do consider, charge exorbitant fees. 2. or more commonly nowadays - outright rejecting them because they once had an opinion or have views they do not personally like. For those who say "just get one model dirt cheap from an asset marketplace" - you have a problem then with Copyright, and the fact that the creators of those premade assets pull possession/control of the model you bought there if they one day decided they don't want you to use it anymore. Remember Powdur, Lizmeta and Kokoda? Most aspiring Vtubers have come to understand that if they want to establish their brand, their persona, everything - owning Copyright to their avatar is extremely important...and of course, that also means you have to fork out additional money to the artist to make that arrangement, IF they are willing to make that arrangement. So all these brickwalls keep snowballing...and you wonder why Leaflit released a tool like this and why the tool got popular? For those who are extremely outraged and going all in on the attacks on Leaflit because of this - I want to ask you a bunch of simple questions... 1. Is throwing threats, calling for Leaflit "sign-off irl" really the best way for you to express your care for human artists? Are you sure you are not creating more animosity to outsiders to the extent they may oppose you out of spite, hence sabotaging your own message? For someone who claims to support humanity, your actions are awfully Inhumane. 2. As some of you all are going at it with the ferocity and zeal of a paladin about how Evil Ai is for any form of content whatsoever...what about Neuro-sama? The same people who are being at the front attacking Leaflit, either fall completely silent when asked about Neuro, or are even creating mental gymnastics to somehow justify to themselves "oh Neuro-same is fine!" Again its the two-faced hypocrisy that angers me. So what's my point? There are genuine, and nuanced conversations and criticism to be had about Ai and its important that those more meaningful conversations and critique be had - and competing ideas be exchanged civilly and honestly. In my humble opinion, this maelstrom centred on Leaflit? Is NOT one of those conversations. It has just become another excuse for overt tribalism, and for people to just throw jabs at each other or to gain cheap clout. I am certain most/all people are very happy and willing to support their fellow humans when it comes to giving each other business and the means to get their careers or dreams running. The harsh reality is well...its reality. Its not perfect as I have explained. And for some people, that imperfection is what is stopping them from chasing their dreams or their passion. Leaflit said so herself, and I am certain many who would end up using her tool think so too - this is a stopgap, a stepping stone, a foot through the door. Few or maybe no one would be under the view that whatever that is created using this tool is their permanent solution...and if they get their chance and they have that clear road - the first thing in the minds of many would be "I am going to make this legit and find a proper human artist to make my model now!" In addition, whether out of spite or subconsciously, Leaflit's actions have created some positive change. Some artists (who evidently hate Leaflit), have decided to make their entry level models more accessible and easier for the aspiring Vtubers. The brickwall is slowly but surely cracking, and that's a good thing. Honestly, even if Leaflit was not the core reason that these walls are starting to crack, she at least contributed to it. Anyway, this is just MY take and I'm sure some feel strongly for or against it. So talk about it.

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And also i went very late at bed, but woke very soon, and tried to sleep further till i decided to stand up since i can't sleep anymore ans rolling for 2 hours in my bed, and one hour later after i woke up, i feel tired again! This is an adhd thing right? Some kind of insomnia?
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Im not going to give extra explanation since with exhaustion i feel mental exhaustion! And that heatwave makes it worse! And i hate summer because of the heat! Since i need comfortable temperatures
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Perma Banned ထ🔨@GiveMeBanHammer·
That is a very stupid analogy. Let me explain: 1. Physical theft deprives the owner: Stealing merchandise means the shop loses the item and the sale. Training an Ai on publicly posted art leaves the original intact. It's non-rivalrous data, not removal. 2. Public vs. private: Artists upload to public platforms for visibility. This isn't a private shop refusing service. It's like displaying work in a public gallery then complaining people studied it. Leaflit building a VTuber avatar tool uses learned statistical patterns across vast data, not "stealing" specific assets after refusal. 3. Transformative, not substitution: Humans learn styles by viewing public art and create new work (legal). AI does the same at scale for a new purpose. US courts have repeatedly called this transformative fair use when data is lawfully sourced not theft. If it was sampled from something paywalled, then perhaps you could have an argument. 4. Its stupid to analogise what Leaflit did to "sneaking back after refusal" to steal: Leaflit, and anyone who ends up using the tool, are using publicly available data or training new models. Humans do the exact same thing legally - study public art to learn styles and create inspired work. Are you going to accuse a human artist who sampled the style of another, of theft? If artists refuse direct commissions with someone due to personal disagreements, that doesn't grant them a veto over public data use or technological innovation. That's not how copyright works as it stands. Copyright instead protects specific expression, not ideas, styles, or "my labour broadly." Again, we can an entire discussion of the ethics and nuances of generative Ai and I think its an important one to have. Saying dumb things and giving dumb analogies however, does not help you. It makes you look silly. Just say you are an American leftist, you hate anything Leaflit does because your opposition is purely political. I don't mind.
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@GiveMeBanHammer @Leaflit and if i turn you away from my business where i'm selling luxury goods (which is what commercial models are,) does that entitle you to come back and steal the merchandise anyway?

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@GiveMeBanHammer @Leaflit Im interested to turn one of my oc's into a vtuber model, since im a poor mentally disabled person with living wage, who probably can't pay an artist or rigger, and i might be a wannabe vtuber, since some of my ocs are great vtuber designs. And i might need ai for my art dreams
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Perma Banned ထ🔨@GiveMeBanHammer·
WARNING VERY LONG POST - Regarding @Leaflit 's Ai Vtuber avatar tool. I might upset some people and if it does you can tell me why in the comments - we can have a conversation. After the taking some time to really observe the entire "controversy" surrounding Leaflit's new Ai-powered Vtuber avatar tool. I really want to take this opportunity to give my own personal opinion, as someone who's neither very Anti-Ai or Pro-Ai...I'd like to think my perception of Ai is a mix of practical and ethical, of course that's just my own perception. I see Ai as basically a tool like any other, and what makes it bad or good is from the user who uses it and the key figures surrounding its development and growth. While I have been very critical of the tunnel-vision obsession with Ai by many corporations to the extent it has created real-world damage and to people's livelihoods... I think Leaflit's intentions with Ai is I am not afraid to say it - is POSITIVE. Why? Firstly, I think that over my time also being a legit Vtuber now, and meeting so many people from mutuals to followers who are telling me that Vtubing is something they want to do - one of if not the biggest brickwall has been getting a model just to get them started. Before I go further, I am going to make it clear that many Artists are just hard working honest people giving their time and effort for their craft and treat their clients right and fair. In fact I am VERY lucky to have found a very excellent Vtuber Artist and Rigger to do my Avatar - I am forever grateful to the both of them. So to be clear - I am talking specifically for a very SMALL subset of some Artists on a case-by-case basis, and their PERSONAL flaws. Sometimes its not just a matter of money, I have seen many cases where aspiring Vtubers have expressed that they are very ready and willing to fork out money for a commission...however its the other side, the Artist they want to commission who instead turn them away, whether it be because: 1. they arbitrarily decide aspirants are not worth their time, or if they do consider, charge exorbitant fees. 2. or more commonly nowadays - outright rejecting them because they once had an opinion or have views they do not personally like. For those who say "just get one model dirt cheap from an asset marketplace" - you have a problem then with Copyright, and the fact that the creators of those premade assets pull possession/control of the model you bought there if they one day decided they don't want you to use it anymore. Remember Powdur, Lizmeta and Kokoda? Most aspiring Vtubers have come to understand that if they want to establish their brand, their persona, everything - owning Copyright to their avatar is extremely important...and of course, that also means you have to fork out additional money to the artist to make that arrangement, IF they are willing to make that arrangement. So all these brickwalls keep snowballing...and you wonder why Leaflit released a tool like this and why the tool got popular? For those who are extremely outraged and going all in on the attacks on Leaflit because of this - I want to ask you a bunch of simple questions... 1. Is throwing threats, calling for Leaflit "sign-off irl" really the best way for you to express your care for human artists? Are you sure you are not creating more animosity to outsiders to the extent they may oppose you out of spite, hence sabotaging your own message? For someone who claims to support humanity, your actions are awfully Inhumane. 2. As some of you all are going at it with the ferocity and zeal of a paladin about how Evil Ai is for any form of content whatsoever...what about Neuro-sama? The same people who are being at the front attacking Leaflit, either fall completely silent when asked about Neuro, or are even creating mental gymnastics to somehow justify to themselves "oh Neuro-same is fine!" Again its the two-faced hypocrisy that angers me. So what's my point? There are genuine, and nuanced conversations and criticism to be had about Ai and its important that those more meaningful conversations and critique be had - and competing ideas be exchanged civilly and honestly. In my humble opinion, this maelstrom centred on Leaflit? Is NOT one of those conversations. It has just become another excuse for overt tribalism, and for people to just throw jabs at each other or to gain cheap clout. I am certain most/all people are very happy and willing to support their fellow humans when it comes to giving each other business and the means to get their careers or dreams running. The harsh reality is well...its reality. Its not perfect as I have explained. And for some people, that imperfection is what is stopping them from chasing their dreams or their passion. Leaflit said so herself, and I am certain many who would end up using her tool think so too - this is a stopgap, a stepping stone, a foot through the door. Few or maybe no one would be under the view that whatever that is created using this tool is their permanent solution...and if they get their chance and they have that clear road - the first thing in the minds of many would be "I am going to make this legit and find a proper human artist to make my model now!" In addition, whether out of spite or subconsciously, Leaflit's actions have created some positive change. Some artists (who evidently hate Leaflit), have decided to make their entry level models more accessible and easier for the aspiring Vtubers. The brickwall is slowly but surely cracking, and that's a good thing. Honestly, even if Leaflit was not the core reason that these walls are starting to crack, she at least contributed to it. Anyway, this is just MY take and I'm sure some feel strongly for or against it. So talk about it.
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