@wil_da_beast630 The problem with this is that when men sexually objectify they see the woman as having less mental agency and moral status. Its not simple forgetting that shes good at mathematics,
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Kyle Butler
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Good summary.
But, literally all this means is that sexually aroused people feel very attracted to specific opposite-sex members, and temporarily see them - partly or primarily - in terms of their role as potential sex partner. I.e., you would think less about your girlfriend's mathematical abilities if she were naked, visibly excited, and on all fours in front of you.
"Objectification," etc. are either 90% or entirely nonsense terms, created to provide pejorative woke descriptions of healthy natural processes. "Turned on" summarizes the same feeling much better.
Rolf Degen@DegenRolf
Men's tendency to view women as sex objects is plain and simple fueled by sexual arousal and "is not merely the domain of a pathological few." Sexual objectification refers to the process whereby an individual is reduced to their sexual function, neglecting mental characteristics. Yet little is known about the proximal mechanisms that lead men to objectify women. In the present research, we introduced and found support for the Arousal Hypothesis of Sexual Objectification, which posits that, beyond dispositional traits (e.g. personality), temporary states of sexual arousal increase the sexual objectification of women. Across four experiments (N = 675), we found consistent evidence that heightened sexual arousal increases sexual objectification in men. In Experiment 1, sexually aroused men showed a greater preference for women’s sexual physical attributes (e.g. curvy, sexy) over psychological attributes (e.g. empathy, intelligence), Across all studies, neither personality traits (Dark Triad, Social Dominance Orientation, Sociosexual Orientation) nor relationship status moderated the arousal-objectification link.. Taken together, these findings indicate that sexual arousal contributes uniquely to state sexual objectification, above and beyond individual differences. The present findings suggest that a state-level, arousal-driven process can produce sexual objectification independent of power motives, Sexual objectification is often viewed through the lens of power and personality. However, the present research demonstrates that temporary states, particularly sexual arousal, can independently increase the objectification of women, even among men low in antisocial traits (e.g., Dark Triad traits) or high in empathy. This finding suggests that objectification is not merely the domain of a pathological few, but a broader tendency that emerges in response to mating-relevant cues.
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@DameandGiannis @LatrellCurtis10 @unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @mldiffley vertical jump is the one test that both leagues directly measures, and has solid predictive ability for overall athleticism. And I agree dysons is probably better. His agility tests were elite and myles opted out of agility testing, which may mean he didnt expect an elite time
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@KBTrumpKamala @LatrellCurtis10 @unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @mldiffley I mean you used vertical jump as your only argument, i’m willing to bet Dyson Daniels 3 cone drill is a lot better than Myles Garrett
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He’s only 6’4 and there’s not a single jumper in these highlights
Robert Griffin III@RGIII
Washington Commanders LB Sonny Styles was a MONSTER on the Basketball Court. NFL Players 100% would transition to playing in the NBA better than NBA players to the NFL. Via -ShotbySpeegs
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@DameandGiannis @LatrellCurtis10 @unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @mldiffley Yes I controlled for height by using NFL & NBA players that average the same height because you claimed height is the reason NFL players are more athletic. Nba tests are nearly identical in purpose to NFL tests, just in a basketball court format.
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@KBTrumpKamala @LatrellCurtis10 @unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @mldiffley Congrats, you factored in one singular measurement of athleticism, and only used PGs and SGs. Vertical once again is probably the 9th or 10th most important athletic trait. Coordination is far more important and it’s clear NBA players are more fluid and coordinated if you watch
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@Ayebradda @Coach_HugginsII By going "the football route" I meant high school football->college->NFL. Genetically speaking he would easily be a first round prospect
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@KBTrumpKamala @Coach_HugginsII NBA strong and NFL strong are worlds apart lol
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I’d pay to see Zion Williamson try to set the edge against Tristan Wirfs. lol
Also, the key skill separator between basketball and football players is toughness.
Kyle Collinsworth@collinsworth55
When I say football isn’t a high skilled sport this is exactly what I mean. Dude has never played football before and got drafted. You have to be extremely athletic and strong but nobody is drafting someone in the NBA who has never played basketball before. Too much skill in 🏀
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@DameandGiannis @LatrellCurtis10 @unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @mldiffley Nfl TEs & DEs are roughly the same height of NBA PGs & SGs and post higher vertical jumps(our only direct measurement of both sorry) while also being 20-40lbs heavier so we actually dont need to factor in height.
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@KBTrumpKamala @LatrellCurtis10 @unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @mldiffley No, i’m arguing in general, when factoring in height (coordination and agility decline the taller you are).
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@DameandGiannis @unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @LatrellCurtis10 @mldiffley We arent going on height, we are going on athleticism, cus we are deciding who has the best athletes.not arguing he would have success in the NBA because he probably wouldnt. At his height he'd have to be a Devin Booker type player. His vert wont matter much. Or be Pat Bev
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@KBTrumpKamala @unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @LatrellCurtis10 @mldiffley If we are going based on height? You realize nfl players are like 6’1-6’4 on average lol smaller humans move and jump higher on average. Nba players have similar athleticism but are 5+ inches taller.
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@DameandGiannis @LatrellCurtis10 @unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @mldiffley If you are arguing that nba players are more agile and coordinated than NFL OL yes I agree. Theres like a 100lb difference between the two groups so thats extremely obvious
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@KBTrumpKamala @LatrellCurtis10 @unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @mldiffley A lot of those guys over 6’5 are offensive linemen lol. And nfl players that are at that height are not agile or coordinated most of the time to that of nba players
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@DameandGiannis @LatrellCurtis10 @unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @mldiffley 6'5 and NFL players are definitely have elite agility, what do you think the L-drill and 5-10-5 test is for? Also roughly 15% of NFL players are 6'5 so hes an outlier but not an extreme outlier in height
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@LatrellCurtis10 @KBTrumpKamala @unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @mldiffley 6’4 and that’s an extreme outlier, that’s like using Giannis or Lebron as an example lmao. Russ is 6’3 and has all world athleticism. Nfl players have straight line speed and strength but they lack a lot of the other athleticisms nba players posses like agility and coordination
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@JoeVarga128 @gcochran99 @janecoaston A pro male team obviously the U15 loses but thats a PRO team, and pros arent average males. Average males get destroyed by the U15 kids and the pro women
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@KBTrumpKamala @gcochran99 @janecoaston Nope what? A men's professional team wouldn't destroy a team of U15 year old boys? or U15 year old local boys team wouldn't easily defeat a women's adult national team, they are both demonstrably true, particularly since the later has happened in 3 different countries.
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prime example of Stolen Penis Valor: men hear "men are faster/stronger than women" and conclude that means they, guy at bar, are faster/stronger than all women, ever. Are men who are track athletes faster than female track athletes? Sure. Are you a track athletes? Probably not!
rachel@rachellynneb
@janecoaston One of my best friends from college is far from a world-class sprinter— NAIA All-American. Substantially better than average, sure, but nothing crazy. Would mention she was a sprinter at bars and routinely got challenged by drunk guys to race. We won a lot of free drinks.
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@DameandGiannis @unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @LatrellCurtis10 @mldiffley I use vertical because its a good test of athleticism and its one done directly by the NBA and Nfl. Name the athletic traits that nba players routinely outperform nfl players in....
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@KBTrumpKamala @unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @LatrellCurtis10 @mldiffley Wait until you find out a vertical is probably the 9th most important “athletic” trait in an NBA or NFL player lol. And being bigger and taller and that athletic is definitely more impressive. DK Metcalf gets called this all world athlete because he’s 6’4, he’s just Lu Dort.
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@DameandGiannis @unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @LatrellCurtis10 @mldiffley Nba has the tallest not the best. For example the nba combine standing vertical jump alltime record is routinely topped every year by at least 15 nfl prospects
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@unfollowkjen @DougsDogs101 @LatrellCurtis10 @KBTrumpKamala @mldiffley Run fast, jump high, lift heavy means nothing in the NBA, your lateral quickness and quickness in general are all far more important. NBA has the best athletes on the planet and it’s not close. Most NFL guys aren’t tall enough to be NBA players or coordinated enough.
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@red75bronco @tommyreamon That 5'8 corner jumped a 42 inch vertical and ran a 4.3 forty....he didnt get drafted because of heart. He got drafted cus hes a freak athlete
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@tommyreamon What are those, 5-8, 185 corner was just drafted to NFL, Cowboys drafted a 5’6” running back a few years ago. I get what you saying, but you have to have heart and football knowledge. Not everyone fits in a box.
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I don’t care how bad you want to play college football…
There are baseline traits & measurables that have to be there: Size. Speed. Strength. Athleticism. Etc
Without that, it’s not a plan… it’s a wish.
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Translation. Adults have sex. Groundbreaking
⑧@brungearmuranch
literally 99% of young lads current girlfriends have had another blokes cock down their throat before them👍
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@AugustSolstice @Dee_swervooo @mldiffley @DougsDogs101 I get how you interpreted it but it makes sense how I interpreted it as well. I wouldve expected him to say "nowhere near a college players skills"
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@KBTrumpKamala @Dee_swervooo @mldiffley @DougsDogs101 Go back and read this thread and tell me where that’s even implied. Matt was saying that he’s nowhere near a college basketball PLAYER in terms of SKILL, not that he’s less than them in terms of athleticism.
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@unfollowkjen @LatrellCurtis10 @mldiffley @DougsDogs101 Theres no listed measurements for their standing verts. Its all rumors and stories. Its likely up there tho for those two guys
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@LatrellCurtis10 @KBTrumpKamala @mldiffley @DougsDogs101 Ja Morant and Anthony Edward’s died or some ? 🤣
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@AugustSolstice @Dee_swervooo @mldiffley @DougsDogs101 Im not saying hes a basketball players. The guy said hes not as athletic as basketball players, im simply pointing out that he is. Im not claiming he can play in the nba. I actually dont think he can
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@KBTrumpKamala @Dee_swervooo @mldiffley @DougsDogs101 Again… he’s an athlete. Not a basketball player.
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@unfollowkjen @mldiffley @DougsDogs101 I agree, they just arent tall/long enough. Even with that vert, hes gonna have to be extremely skilled as a shooter and ball handler to succeed in the NBA. hes the same height as devin booker for example.
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@KBTrumpKamala @mldiffley @DougsDogs101 Well yeah my b. By athleticism alone, most nfl players can hang with the nba players
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@BuffetDefender @mldiffley @DougsDogs101 You are mixing up the running vert with standing vert. Nfl doesnt test running, but NFL standing verts are routinely higher
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@KBTrumpKamala @mldiffley @DougsDogs101 The nba record is 49 inches, his vert aint even top 10 in NBA history
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@unfollowkjen @mldiffley @DougsDogs101 Im only responding to the claim that he isnt as athletic as college/nba guys.
I dont think can succed in the league skill-wise
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@KBTrumpKamala @mldiffley @DougsDogs101 Doesn’t mean anything in basketball without skill to go alongside. Even G leaguers with crazy vert struggle for NBA opportunities
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@Dee_swervooo @mldiffley @DougsDogs101 Are we not discussing his athleticism in comparison to colle bball players and nba players?
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