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@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 Go read CCC 846-848.

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 LMAO?? The church we have literally been discussing this whole entire time? That church?

> devout christian > kids are homeschooled by his gorgeous financial analyst wife of 20 years > family lives on the road > hates donald trump > called matt gaetz, who went to school w him, a motherfucker > is successful > looks like this of course they hate him lmao

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 For me to answer this i need to know if you understand what the Church is. What is the church answer that for me.

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 So is there salvation outside the church or not

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 Bro you can go to any Catholic clergy and they will tell you the doctrine did not change. I already explained what they did and it was not changed. You just dont understand anything about Vactian II

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 "Outside the church there is no salvation" "Outside the church there is salvation" "These aren't changes at all!!"

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 Outside the church there is no Salvation. And like I said it did not change. You are retarded

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 What does Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus mean, dude. It's a very simple question. I'll hold your hand right through it, come on don't be scared of learning

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 The Council reaffirmed the doctrine while providing a clearer pastoral explanation of its meaning in light of the Church's longstanding tradition, including teachings on invincible ignorance. It didnt Change the doctrine itself. Holy Crap dude, do some research 🤣🤣🤣.

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 What does Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus mean

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 Nothing you provided shows changes to core doctrine or dogma

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 vatican.va/archive/hist_c…

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 No its not. You can look up. There are no changes to dogma or Doctrine. Like bro a 5 second Google search would tell you this

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 Changing "nobody outside the visible church can be saved" to "all people have the chance to be saved because they're secretly obeying and serving God's will without knowing it" is in fact a doctrinal change.

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 Holy shit. You dont understand anything about how the Catholic Church works do you?

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 So it follows that IF a council is called where the church decides gay marriage is okay, everyone who rejects that would not be in communion with Rome, and everyone who accepts it is in submission to the will of God?

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 Also, no dogma or church doctrine was changed during Vactian II. Look it up.

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 So it's valid to reject and change church doctrine, then?

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 Vatican II is valid, so those who reject it are not in communion with Rome. Submission to the Pope and the Vatican are the key elements.

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 This is circular reasoning. Vatican II changed the teaching on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and it pissed a ton of Catholics off. So in that regard, who is in submission to the church, the sedvecs or the modern Catholics?

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 Sure, they do it, yet you can't be in good standing with the church and out right reject the doctrine. Catholics must submit to all teachings of the Church

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 Catholics reject Catholic doctrine all the time. That was kind of the point of Vatican II.

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 So you are saying that someone who is Catholic can reject the Catholic doctrine or issues? Is that what you are saying?

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 No, actually, what I personally think does matter, lol.

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 It blesses the individuals of the marriage but not the marriage itself.

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 My bad bruh I was going between 3 threads and forgot you said marriage specifically, that's on me. Yeah the church doesnt allow marriage but it does do blessings.

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 Its taken straight from the vactian website. Keep coping

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 This is an AI generated response.

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 It doesn't matter what you believe personally. If you are Catholic, you submit to the Church teaching regardless of what you personally feel like.

@thunderkwb @KongCatholic @davi24670 Are you asking me personally, or are you asking me academically what the Church says about it?

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 Yea okay buddy, you aren't a practicing Catholic based on what you believe in. Also didnt lie 👇

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 I don't bet. That's against the Bible and a mortal sin for you because it would cause you to lose your livelihood. Repent.

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 What's wrong? Are you scared to bet? You seem confident. Put your money where your mouth is. And I didn't lie. The Church has NEVER permitted Gay marriage.

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 You don't have 50k. Lmao. Pass. Why are you lying about church history though, because the church didn't prohibit laymen from sodomy until the middle ages, before that the sodomy rules were aimed only at clergy starting in the 4th century...

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 I will bet you 50k that Pope Leo wont permit gay marriage throughout his entire time as pope. Deal?

@KongCatholic @thunderkwb @davi24670 you can keep hoping that but not with papa chicago in charge ;)

@neon_heartbeat @thunderkwb @davi24670 If you are aware that having gay sex is wrong and sinful and you still engage in it, that is a mortal sin and must go to confession and repent. Same sex attracted people are told to remain celibate and resist those temptations.

@thunderkwb @KongCatholic @davi24670 This is literally all about just ACTS, and ends with the author asking people who feel same sex attraction to fix their feelings with the church's help and saying if you ever had gay sex that doesn't mean you're going to hell.