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@Raen4657 @ecutruin @suzania Diffusion models need datasets. Most art dm use the LLM datasets. We're talking in circles thx char limits. Tldr b/c i'm bored of this: 'The AI agent' is doing the work. A person commissioned the image from the agent. If that person calls it their art, they are fooling themselves

@Lightpoint001 @ecutruin @suzania You're talking about diffusion models. Not LLMs. And what they make depends on the inputs the user gives. If your inputs are limited, it will tend toward a similar generalization of style. If you prompt for something different, it will look different.

Talking with ppl who are fine with using generative llms for writing and trying to explain why they should not be is one of the more disturbing experiences I've had. Like, what I am trying to say is that you as a person matter, and y'all keep saying "prove it to me."

@tvitzer @Shteyngart Also it's just cringe. Like so cringe it loops back into the original cringe and spawns more cringe. Kind of like an AI asked for nothing but cringe would do. Gotta feel bad for the bot tbh. It had to write that.

@Lightpoint001 @Shteyngart haha, there are quite a few tells. there is a certain vacantness in the writing, as if the robot hasn't really *lived* a life or had any real world experiences, and so it tries to make up for it by filling in the void with exaggerations..

My new novel “Gary’s New Novel Was This Result Helpful to You?” is in big trouble.

@Marshwiggle119 @suzania @ecutruin The prompter still didn't make it. The LLM did. They commissioned it. And I'm out, bored now, agree to disagree.

@suzania @ecutruin @Lightpoint001 Yes. That prompt gets you some generic cat and hat. What if someone pictures something in his mind, and thus writes a 3 page prompt, specifying what he pictured? To be sure, there will still be gaps that will be filled in with averages. But that is the case for human artists.

@ecutruin @suzania Tools that use AI tho? Obviously a different story, there's nuance here, duh. Ie. Plz fill in a color gradient in this sketch and trace this line. LLMs are perfect for logic tasks.

@ecutruin @suzania ('Same sort of stuff' here means something like 'all of x this LLM makes looks the same')

@Terociti @ThePigQueenxxx @BangMathers @emkenobi That is wild. It was in freaking PLAYBOY why do they think it was there

@ThePigQueenxxx @Lightpoint001 @BangMathers @emkenobi Though I hear some people are saying it’s fashion nudity or model nudity which is not classed as pornography hence it wasn’t banned. But still disgusting anyway.

The fact her mother allowed her to be basically pimped out to every freak in Hollywood who wanted to make a film sexualizing a child is disgusting. She was 11 years old when she filmed Pretty Baby which is a film about a 12 year old growing up in a brothel as a prostitute who then gets married to one of the men who exploits her. She also did Playboy when she was 10 years old and was photographed completely nude after her mother gave consent. She was robbed of her childhood and it’s truly amazing she ended up having a happy life after everything she went through.

@ecutruin @suzania Copyright is in dispute. The derivative nature of it is completely indisputable. And disregarding all of that, it is still something that made for the prompter. The end product is a commission. I'd prefer to credit the LLM and have it list the source data ie. Rembrandt, Cassatt

@Lightpoint001 @suzania Theft is the act of depriving another of their property. Training AI on an artist's art does not deprive them of said art. If you are using the term theft to refer to infringement, a US court ruled training AI is fair use. reuters.com/legal/litigati…

@ecutruin @suzania You made it sound even more like 'something/someone doing the thing for you.' That makes it even less the prompter's work. You're making the argument for me.

@Lightpoint001 @suzania This is simply incorrect. A diffusion model doesn't contain imagery for it to produce such a collage. It's a latent map of weights representing an AI's generalization of concepts, much like how we generalize concepts as we learn to draw by drawing what we see.

@tvitzer @Shteyngart

@Lightpoint001 @Shteyngart mind sharing the excerpt?

@DDPuncher @J0hnADouglas Invading the house was when you knew you were golden.

@J0hnADouglas Those of us who grew up on SimAnt back in the 90s knew this.

I’ll never look at ants the same way again

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@BBuchananWomble @moniza_hossain I don't want to have to keylog my writing. Nobody wants to see that lmao.

@moniza_hossain That's a great point. In this case (TBF: I haven't read the book), the AI usage apparently is over the top. But I totally can see a situation where an innocent author is unfairly assumed to have used AI for the reasons you give.

I’m happy the book has been pulled too, but also worried some people are starting to assume writing is ai just cus it uses perfectly normal stylistic devices (like listing, the use of contrasts, using words strangely to convey voice, em dash etc). It’s making me paranoid

@moniza_hossain She needs to sue the editor if that's true, because if it had a role in the enshittification of her writing, well...I'd be absolutely furious.

In the case of this book we KNOW the writer may have used ai because they said they hired an editor who might have put the book through an ai programme. That’s the only proof we have. The stylistic choices made in the book are not proof, and I hope ppl are aware of that

@MadelaineLucyH Pure AI or 'I'm 14, this is deep, and edits are for babies.' Good god the 'author' is an adult, right??? Cringe.

I read a lot of draft writing (salon, writer’s group, client’s work) and I have NO IDEA how Mia Ballard’s agent or publisher didn’t immediately “no” this AI gibberish. This is so AI I almost expected to find “I can list ten metaphors that will really grab a reader” at the end

@Nicky_Bonez @noself86 @suzania Yes, it's not a refinement filter or an assist, it's an additive. Nobody cares about advanced spell check or formatting. Text is GENERATED. That, intrinsically, makes it not the 'writer's' work.

@noself86 @Lightpoint001 @suzania You’re right. I wouldn’t say that. Because the writing equivalent of that is dictation software. I have no problem using AI for voice to text dictation, because the software doesn’t choose what to write, which is the process we are discussing here.

@ecutruin @suzania If anything, it's the AI making a collage. The credit belongs to Claude, ChatGPT, or whatever. Every AI 'artist' claiming an image as theirs is stealing from both the artists whose work was scraped AND the AI.

@ecutruin @suzania Except that people attempt to argue that it is equivalent to non-AI art, which is based off of stolen work (that's another argument tho). The end product is a human voice processed through something interpreting that voice. It can never be the artist, unfiltered.