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@Suck_my_bress Kerma ancien, Kerma moyenne (French for old or ancient and middle - like Old Kingdom and Middle Kingdom but cultural distinctions). Around 2000BC.
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@LohQore Fair, what’s KA and KM? Kerma A group and Kerma Meroitic?
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Been asked by multiple people for my thoughts this depiction of a NK Kushite by @JoanFrancescOl1, presumably because of the thread I made on his the Kerman monstrosity.
It might come as a surprise to those people though, that I do not think that this is particularly bad.
Lo'Qore@LohQore
The more I see this Kerma-era Kushite warrior depiction by @JoanFrancescOl1 praised for its authenticity, the more frustrated I get. It's a monstrosity. He gets so many things so wrong, and out of spite I'm going to list the most egregious of them:
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@Suck_my_bress Yeah, they have a Cushitic layer and I presume a language shift did happen at some point, but beyond circumstantial evidence I haven't seen anything to suggest it happened after Kerma's collapse as attractive as an idea as that is. For me it's between KA-KM or the collapse tho yh
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@LohQore Oh I see, I thought Meroitic speakers were descended from an extinct east Cushitic language who language shifted explaining the substrate in the language, is that not the case?
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@Suck_my_bress Which language shift? No positive evidence to suggest there was one around this time; the language shift from Meroitic (still Nilo-Saharan) to Old Nubian happened much later in the ADs (on Nile - they were near since 1300BC minimum) and to Danagla even later in medieval times.
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@LohQore Do you have a theory as to what caused the language shift?
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Might be because I haven't got a good night's sleep in a week but this reminds me of my fav style of C-Group pottery which originated found in Handessi B - an area inhabited by people ancestral or otherwise related in some kind to the Nuba.
ثقافة سودانية@SudaneseCulture
Traditional face painting, People of Kau, Nuba, Sudan - 1976's #SudaneseCulture #ثقافة_سودانية 📷 Leni Reifenstahl
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@Amghar_Haddu I'm no specialist. If you can translate the webpage, and you're interested in the topic, google "Whole-genome ancestry of an Old Kingdom Egyptian GenArchivist" (keep this English) and read the discussion on the forum. Very interesting conversation was had there.
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@Amghar_Haddu Better not to think of it like that but rather the populations of the time. MK are more Levantine, Amorite-shifted.
Still, the opposite holds true. Less Natufian, more Anatolian and Zagrosian.
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@LohQore Une diminution de la part anatolienne ? Et de l’accroissement natoufienne ?
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@Amghar_Haddu x.com/MiroCyo/status…
not very clear but from the limited samples we have, there was drastic change in genotype. something like 60%-70% continuity
Miro C@MiroCyo
One of the biggest mysteries I haven't been able to solve (despite intense discussion with many others and hundreds of hours of thinking) is what the hell happened to Ancient Egypt between the Old Kingdom and Middle Kingdom
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@LohQore Et quelles auraient été les vecteurs de changements similaires en Égypte lors de ces périodes ?
J’avais en tête que les migrations préhistoriques natoufiennes/anatoliennes avaient déjà produit une rupture
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@avidseries So comprehensive... so why leave out Eastern sub-Saharan Africa?
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When did written language (a graphic system capable of recording language) first begin being used around the world?
Mesopotamia and Egypt, 3100 BC
Levant, 1850 BC
Greece, 1450 BC
China, 1250 BC
Persia, 1000 BC
Rome, 700 BC
Central Asia, 700 BC
Japan, 400 BC
Southeast Asia, 200 BC
Central America, 200 BC
Northern Europe, 150 BC
Western Sub-Saharan Africa, 1000 AD
North America, 1500 AD
Southern Sub-Saharan Africa, 1500 AD
Australia, 1800 AD
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@imuru_danansun @draingangadulis Punt was backwater. Egypt hyped it up. Gash Group was fairly advanced and it was inhabited by people ancestral to Ethiosemites.
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@draingangadulis This thread ahh niggas still pushing the "Punt in Eritrea" LARP in the ginormous 2026 💔💔💔
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a brass plaque depicting the head of a Gorgon, ringed by Ge'ez lettering, and likely decorated one of the monumental stelae at May Ḥeǧǧa, Aksum. the appropriation of the Gorgon as a symbol of royal authority is unsurprising-
mariḥ@draingangadulis
two carnelian intaglio rings of the Aksumite horizon: one of Roman origin, and another of probable native manufacture, the product of cultural agglomeration. while the wreath & general composition are Mediterranean, the bucrania is strictly native
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@aphrosociety Most telling is him using TT40 mural [1], but rather than using clothing (or phenotype) of elites [2] he zeroes in on their impoverished captives that they're using to pay tribute [3]? They're clearly bound? Worst of all, he's arguing with ethnic Nubians using this as crutch?
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@aphrosociety Same thing with his Kerman depiction. These things - scarification, phenotype, leopard skin, topless - in New Kingdom Kushite context aren't by themselves out of place, but all together very rare. He made the artistic choice because he can't help but make it overly other/exotic.
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This indeed matches some Egyptian paintings but the attire isn’t compatible with the arid landscapes of Southern Egypt/Northern Sudan.
There’s been a serious error here it looks like. Whether it’s coming from the A.Egyptian source material itself, an honest misinterpretation, or the same old Orientalist mistake of lumping diverse African peoples into generic othering “African warrior” tropes
Joan Francesc Oliveras@JoanFrancescOl1
Kushite warrior from the Late Bronze Age, during the time when Kush was ruled by the Egypt’s New Kingdom from 1504 BC to 1077 BC, following the Egyptian conquest, destruction and subsequent abandonment of the first Kushite royal city, Kerma.
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@_elzubeir This is not a Kerman bro. New Kingdom 'Kushites' (if you'll allow Kushites = 'Nubian', broadly people living in Nubia, 0 anthro use) were quite distinct and diverse. Still, would've been more 'accurate' to use something a little less exotic.
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This has got to be part of a wider campaign to distort and obfuscate history.
Those images are of people and tribes that have 0 to do with Kerma.
Nothing.
so why so we see so much of stealing legitimate civilizations and assigning them to whatever the fuck this is?
Joan Francesc Oliveras@JoanFrancescOl1
Kushite warrior from the Late Bronze Age, during the time when Kush was ruled by the Egypt’s New Kingdom from 1504 BC to 1077 BC, following the Egyptian conquest, destruction and subsequent abandonment of the first Kushite royal city, Kerma.
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I could rip into it if I wanted - Greek anachronism, the use of 'Kushite', using captives of Kushites to justify phenotype (in reply to a modern Nubian who rightfully took issue with the depiction mind you), the issue with using Egyptian depictions...
But this is more productive
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@rafnomis @SaharanMujahida Kushites - riverine 'Nubians' of the New Kingdom (which is being v generous) - didn't look like that in general. If he said 'Nubian', that'd be fine, but he'd have to explain why Kerman pot hut as inspo in the bg for the non-Kerman. The artist and his smugness is the issue tbh
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someone gotta kill this nigga man 😭😭😭
Joan Francesc Oliveras@JoanFrancescOl1
Kushite warrior from the Late Bronze Age, during the time when Kush was ruled by the Egypt’s New Kingdom from 1504 BC to 1077 BC, following the Egyptian conquest, destruction and subsequent abandonment of the first Kushite royal city, Kerma.
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