@Loki4Laughs05@Nagato890 Keep in mind. A lot of what he did was swlf taught in secret. Ichigo had Urahara his dad and the spirit of ywach and white to train him.
@ShadowsWrldz@Nagato890 Doesn’t change the fact that if Rukia didn’t jump on Renji, Ichigo would have been dead lol. And of course the Uryu fight counts, what are you talking about?
@Loki4Laughs05@Nagato890 Yeah man definitely wasn't ichigo releasing like 0.1% of his spiritual pressure that was the reason renji lost it was totally powerless rukia 😭 she literally just set up ichigo for dramatic effect. And idek if I would even call the thing with uryu a fight 💀
@ShadowsWrldz@Nagato890 His first fight was 10 second before that when he beat Uryu.
And Renji was literally about to kill Ichigo in that fight until Rukia intervened, what are you talking about? 😭
Ok, so then are in agreement then that we don’t want this back and forth to keep going? You’ve made your points which I don’t think are accurate and I’ve made my points you don’t think are accurate, it’s clear we definitely think very differently and tbh I think we’ve both repeated ourselves to the point neither is willing to bend. Do you want to finish this up?
And as I explained ages ago, Renji was standing above him, in the process of his last attack with Ichigo unable to move, VERY different to couple to the state of Renji when he was versing base Yylfordt.
And me arguing for the sake of arguing? I said like a day ago “maybe we should just agree to disagree”, but you just kept going 🤨
@_Gandalfthegay_@fwmann1e Well no duh it’s an indicator of a loss, it’s also an indicator of simply getting hit in the gut. A true indicator of a loss would be passing out, getting killed, surrendering or retreating, none of which Pepe did
“He didn’t return”, “the fact he didn’t jump out”, it’s almost like he was killed by someone else as he stated that he was going to make the person he was currently fighting pay for hitting him lol. And agaaaaain characters cough blood all the damn time, by that logic so many characters would lose fights 5 times in the middle of a single fight 😩
I’ll agree this is getting ridiculous for sure, considering again the trade off for a measly 20s was a stronger enemy and a hole in his gut. I also find it funny that your speaking on the authors behalf now, I knew you had him on speed dial. Jokes aside, my point stands firm of you thinking Yylfordt beating Renji with that extra 20s is just an educated guess not a fact. Maybe it is true, but until you get any confirmation from the author your point will still be an educated guess.
@_Gandalfthegay_@fwmann1e Wait so now enemies can’t cough blood or talk half way through a fight? Your criteria for what makes a loss is getting wilder by the minute. Again, bleach characters both cough blood and say stuff through fights aaaaall the time.
Yeah and he literally got that wound protecting the kids, after they angered him enough to enter his stronger state. Which wouldn’t have happened if they didn’t interfere. And of course he gave his name before Renji released GK, that was my point, Yylfordt just kept talking which obviously gave Renji more time.
@Loki4Laughs05@fwmann1e What are you talking about, “hold off ilfordt” he literally destroyed his him. He stopped monologuing at this point. This absolute confirms he would have won with the extra time, but he literally gets GK after ilfordt tells him his name. Intent is clear
Renji's face when Rukia grabs his wrist to check out the smartphone always cracks me up 😂😂
That man is so used to his wife getting absolutely fascinated by the most random human world stuff
Of course he was prepared to fight. I’d agree with you if he said anything like that “I’ve lost today but he’ll pay for that next time”, but he didn’t he was clearly frustrated and an eager to get back into the fight, but was very quickly interrupted by Liltoto. And again coughing up blood in bleach is literally nothing and extremely common, and yet your comparing him to a character who’s known for having a “terminal illness” yikes 😬
Bro I’ve explained my logic 100 times at this point, not only do you have absolutely no way to confirm what would of happened in the 20 seconds she bought, I’ve gone out of my way to explain that even while protecting the kids Renji was still able to hold off a far stronger a Yylfordt until GKs release. Yylfordt even would of bought time himself monologuing
@Loki4Laughs05@fwmann1e And I don’t even need to argue ilfordt was going to kill him, just win so that when GK was released, he was too hurt or unconscious to do anything.
Renji clearly wouldn’t have won without ururus beat down so it’s not his win under your logic.
@_Gandalfthegay_@fwmann1e Soz bro, but maybe you should take a look at that episode again, because just like the manga Pepe gets straight back up and is prepared to keep fighting. Also bleach character cough up blood half way through fights all the time 🤨
@Loki4Laughs05@fwmann1e Sorry the anime events imply he’s knocked out because there’s a time skip. Coughing up, blood. Yeah he’s done for, he can barely stand so he definitely isn’t returning soon. This is a loss
@_Gandalfthegay_@fwmann1e And as I’ve said multiple times bro, the 20 seconds the kids bought is irrelevant when Renji spent the next minute stopping Yylfordt from killing the them and listening to Yylfordt monologue about his name 😩
@Loki4Laughs05@fwmann1e This is just disingenuous, he decided to end things, he already fucked up renji. He’d obviously beat renji if he was given the time ururu and jinta took
@_Gandalfthegay_@fwmann1e Yeah, he was killed by Liltoto in the middle of his fight with zombie Kensei. Hence if anyone in this situation got a clear victory it would have been her…