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Lucas Hattenberger

@Lucashatt

Christian | husband to Andrea | daddy to 3 girls | gym rat | bookworm | worship pastor at Northwest Bible Church

Tucson, AZ Katılım Ekim 2010
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Lucas Hattenberger
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“When an alien resides with you in your land, you must not oppress  him. You will regard the alien who resides with you as the native-born among you. You are to love him as yourself,  for you were aliens in the land of Egypt;  I am the Lord your God.” Leviticus 19:33-34 CSB
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@jenniferwilkin I do agree. But don’t you think this post neglects a biblical theology of the corporate service and the preaching act as a means of grace? The sermon is not a lecture but a corporate means by which God grows his people in grace
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Jen Wilkin@jenniferwilkin·
This is why churches need to reclaim active, dedicated learning environments. Preaching is essential. Community is, too. But learning happens best when we are asked to do work and dialogue. Great Commission faithfulness depends on the disciple learning so he can teach others. /1
Jeff Vanderstelt@JeffVanderstelt

Of all the learning methods, lecture is the least effective (5% retention) of them all. If this is the case why do we still do so much of it in the church?

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“I am the prodigal son every time I search for unconditional love where it cannot be found.” - Henri Nouwen
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Gabriel Hudelson
Gabriel Hudelson@GabrielHudelson·
tl;dr: a really whiny way to get clicks and advertise for NXR Studios. The “everybody is so mean to me” act is getting kind of old. Doug “mocked you relentlessly.” Are you serious, Joel? Do you remember the whole “women are retarded” thing? The “name your favorite pie” thing? The “mock Owen Strachan off Twitter” thing? The “fake and gay” thing? Wow. You haven’t responded to anything that Doug actually said; you’ve only asserted that he is mean. But he actually made arguments in that post – arguments which were quite good – arguments which you cannot simply dismiss, and anyone who is paying attention will recognize that that is what you’re trying to do here. If you’re going to be an edgelord, then having these little meltdowns when people call you on the unacceptable things that you say is rather disingenuous. Pretending like you were shocked by criticism from people on the right when you’ve been receiving criticism from people on the right consistently for years now is pretty silly. I know you like to dismiss Doug Wilson and James White as boomers. Conveniently, you also dismiss criticism from women because – well, it comes from women. You dismiss criticism from men at your age or even younger – for example, a blue-collar tradesman like myself – because such men are white knights, or are fake and gay. The consistent pattern is that no matter how anybody presents criticism to you, they are the problem. I don’t think you’re stupid, Joel. But that only makes the situation worse. And for the record, I think that Doug Wilson should own more of the NXR fallout than he does. I think sometimes it really is just taking his logic a dozen steps further. But he is still right to rebuke it where it has gotten now. Finally, regarding the caveat that you insist that you have given. That is weak tea, and you should know it. You consistently say all manner of ill-defined, inflammatory, and outrageous things, including things that are completely indefensible. Then, consistently, a week or two later, you give a thoughtful post that flushes it out in detail with caveats in a way that is technically OK (if you squint). Those of us with eyes can see what direction this is headed. If you were just arguing that normally interracial marriage isn’t what happens, that usually cultures preserve themselves, and that’s completely OK… We would not be having this conversation. We would all agree. But that is not what you are arguing. It’s the Bailey, but you insist on making regular sorties into the Motte. Last question, and I really hope you will answer this. You say that it is not a sin to want your grandchildren to look like you. Agreed. My question for you is simply this – are you stating that this is simply preference? Would it be OK for someone to think it would be cool to have a mulatto grandchild? Is this in the same category as hoping for a grandbaby with freckles or blonde hair, or thinking it would be cool to have twins? Really hoping for an answer on this, because the whole “it’s technically OK, but it’s really not recommended” thing is how cults structure their legalisms all the time. If you’re going to wear the title of Christian Pastor, then when you go around proclaiming what is ideal and what is recommended you need to recognize that a bunch of young men watching are hearing moral categories. And you know this, because you’re presenting moral categories. “Not technically a sin” is not the same thing as “it’s totally fine if that’s what God leads you to.” You’re putting theological pressure against interracial marriage, no matter how many caveats you say to the contrary, and you should be smart enough to recognize that. And just own it.
Joel Webbon@JoelWebbon

A Response To Doug Wilson’s Latest Article

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“When I am afraid, I trust in you. In God – I boast in his promise – in God I trust, I am not afraid. What can mere men do to me?” Psalms 56:3-4 NET
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Joel Berry@JoelWBerry·
If we lose heart every time a feral Communist commits suicide by cop, our country isn’t gonna make it.
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“The eternal God is your dwelling place, and underneath are the everlasting arms.” Deuteronomy 33:27 ESV
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“If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, … you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be.” -Deut 15:7-8 ESV
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“the Lord your God is God of gods …He executes justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the sojourner, giving him food and clothing. Love the sojourner, therefore, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.” Deuteronomy 10:17-19 ESV
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“Come, behold the works of the Lord, how he has brought desolations on the earth. He makes wars cease to the end of the earth; he breaks the bow and shatters the spear; he burns the chariots with fire.” Psalm 46:8-9 ESV
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“… in the synagogue there was a man who had the spirit of an unclean demon, and he cried out with a loud voice, Ha! What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth?…” Lk 4:33-34 // When Jesus came the demons were at home in the places of worship. They had coopted Gods house
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Anthony Bradley
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This man threw his wife under the bus in order to maintain his in-group status as “one of the guys” in a pseudo-Christian subculture, that many would argue is actually a cult. Yes, his own wife. Tribalism blinds.
Dale Partridge@dalepartridge

Interracial Marriage. As a Christian man happily married to a Mexican/Spanish/American woman, I actually agree with @JoelWebbon Interracial marriage is not the “ideal.” Now, like Joel, I do not believe it is sinful, and if providence positions two Christians from different ethnic backgrounds to unite in marriage, it can be a glorious thing (which it has been for us). However, interracial marriage does create a variety of additional hurdles in marriage and family life, from overcoming different family expectations and cultural traditions to a wife’s assimilation into her husband’s culture. In addition, the husband must learn how his wife’s ethnos has shaped her instincts, sensitivities, and assumptions. There are also external factors from extended family that can feel awkward or frustrating. Identity politics still prevail in a fallen world and cause conflict along the way. To some degree, all of this can extend to children and their lives, spouses, etc. Now, by God’s grace, He gives those believers called to these unique marriages the endurance to overcome these hurdles, but unity has undoubtedly been more difficult for us than for couples who share the same ethnic background. So, while we live in a multicultural mess that has assumed that the melting pot mentality is just as desirable as sharing ethnic similarities and culture, it’s not. It’s possible with Christ but it comes with its own unique hardships.

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“Send out your light and your truth; let them lead me; let them bring me to your holy hill and to your dwelling!” Psalm 43:3 ESV
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This is truly awful. I feel for his wife.
Dale Partridge@dalepartridge

Interracial Marriage. As a Christian man happily married to a Mexican/Spanish/American woman, I actually agree with @JoelWebbon Interracial marriage is not the “ideal.” Now, like Joel, I do not believe it is sinful, and if providence positions two Christians from different ethnic backgrounds to unite in marriage, it can be a glorious thing (which it has been for us). However, interracial marriage does create a variety of additional hurdles in marriage and family life, from overcoming different family expectations and cultural traditions to a wife’s assimilation into her husband’s culture. In addition, the husband must learn how his wife’s ethnos has shaped her instincts, sensitivities, and assumptions. There are also external factors from extended family that can feel awkward or frustrating. Identity politics still prevail in a fallen world and cause conflict along the way. To some degree, all of this can extend to children and their lives, spouses, etc. Now, by God’s grace, He gives those believers called to these unique marriages the endurance to overcome these hurdles, but unity has undoubtedly been more difficult for us than for couples who share the same ethnic background. So, while we live in a multicultural mess that has assumed that the melting pot mentality is just as desirable as sharing ethnic similarities and culture, it’s not. It’s possible with Christ but it comes with its own unique hardships.

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“For with you is the fountain of life; in your light do we see light.” - Psalm 36:9 ESV
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