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Omg, nobody denied anti-Jewish violence existed before Zionism. The problem is that you keep using that fact as if it automatically explains the entire conflict and removes every political, historical and material factor that came later. Antisemitism also existed across Europe for centuries, including in countries where Jews lived alongside Christians for generations, but that still would not justify reducing all modern European history to “Christians simply hated Jews”. By that logic Poles would have the right to permanently hate Germans or Russians because of invasions, partitions, mass killings, forced displacement and attempts to erase our nation and culture throughout history. But most people understand that historical trauma may explain fear, anger or mistrust but it does not morally justify treating entire populations as eternally guilty or less human forever. That is exactly why reducing the entire Israeli-Palestinian conflict to “Muslims have always hated Jews” is such a dangerous oversimplification. History shapes people but it should not become a permanent licence for collective punishment, dehumanisation or endless cycles of hatred. History is more complicated than one eternal hatred narrative and reducing everything to that is exactly why these conversations go nowhere

@MaksRutkowski @mitsyarty @gegoro_oro Nope. Not what I said. I am simply telling you that it is historical facts that Arab violence on Jews was happening way before British Mandate Palestine. It happened way before Zionism, when the excuses you now rely on didn't exist.

#electiontresult2026 These aren’t parliamentary elections or a vote for Prime Minister. These are local council elections - and in many areas the same parties and local structures have been running councils for 10-16 years. People aren’t only voting “for Farage”. Many are voting against how their towns have been managed for years: housing, crime, roads, waste collection, local services and the cost of living. As a Polish immigrant who has lived here with my family for 10 years, I honestly understand the frustration and desperation many people feel. Year after year, council tax goes up, bills go up, services get worse, rubbish collection problems continue, towns look more neglected, protests and tensions keep growing -and many ordinary people feel like nobody is really listening anymore. Nigel Farage won’t be sitting in those councils. Local councillors will -many of whom simply disagree with how the current councils have been run and want a chance to do things differently. That’s how democracy is supposed to work. Voters change governments and councils when they feel the current system no longer represents them -even if others don’t like the result.

Again you are arguing with a position nobody here actually stated 🙈 acknowledging Palestinian expulsions, massacres and displacement does NOT mean denying anti-Jewish violence or pretending Arab militias committed no crimes cuz of course anti-Jewish violence happened but the issue is that every time Palestinian suffering is mentioned, you immediately redirect the conversation into “but Arabs attacked Jews too” as if one tragedy automatically cancels out the other and this is selective moral accounting and that the “Arab leaders told them to leave” narrative has been heavily disputed for decades, including by Israeli historians, because reality was far more chaotic and complex than that simplified version. Entire communities were collapsing under war, panic, massacres, expulsions and fear long before ordinary civilians understood what was happening 🙂‍↕️ History becomes propaganda the moment one side’s trauma is treated by people like you as permanent proof of innocence while the other side’s trauma is endlessly minimised, questioned or explained away…I feel like I’m discussing with the wall…🫤

@MaksRutkowski @mitsyarty @gegoro_oro So you're saying the massacres and explosions happened where purely Jews on Arabs? No Arab massacres of Jews? No calls by Arab countries telling the Arabs to flee so they can wage their war?

Stop constantly speaking about “wars to exterminate Israel” while barely acknowledging that extremist rhetoric has also openly existed for years inside parts of Israeli politics and settler movements. For example there have been Israeli ministers, Knesset members, military figures and public personalities using dehumanising language about Palestinians, talking about “erasing” Gaza, “human animals”, forced displacement or claiming there are “no innocent civilians” “even kids are not innocent”. Some openly advocate permanent domination or mass expulsion, so if you are genuinely against extremist rhetoric, then apply the same standard consistently instead of pretending hatred and dehumanisation only exist on one side of this conflict. Criticising those statements or the actions of Netanyahu’s government is not antisemitism and it is not “wanting Israel exterminated”. It is recognising that no state, no government and no population should be beyond criticism when civilians are dying on such a massive scale. The moment people start excusing collective punishment, mass destruction and dehumanising language simply because they fear the other side more, history becomes very dangerous for everyone involved. Yes, Jordan was created from part of the British Mandate, but that still does not erase the millions of Palestinians who remained in Gaza, the West Bank and inside historic Palestine itself with their own towns, families and collective memory. You speak as if Palestinians should simply accept permanent statelessness, military occupation or displacement because another Arab country exists nearby, but nobody would ever apply that logic to any other population on earth. And again the irony is that you keep saying “Israel is not going anywhere” while arguing against recognising Palestinian identity at all. Most ordinary people supporting Palestinian civilians are not arguing Israel should vanish- they are arguing Palestinians are human beings too and should not live forever under unequal systems, occupation, blockade or collective punishment. The fact you instantly reinterpret every criticism of Israeli state policy as “wanting to exterminate Jews” is exactly why meaningful discussion becomes impossible, because it turns political criticism into an existential religious war instead of engaging with the actual human reality on the ground

@MaksRutkowski @mitsyarty @gegoro_oro Jordan still exists. Jordan is the Arab state that came out of Mandate Palestine. 77% of the mandate in fact. Israel is the Jewish state. It's not going anywhere, despite the constant wars to exterminate it.

This is exactly why your framing feels ideological instead of historical because you keep trying to reduce millions of Palestinians into “Arab settlers” while simultaneously posting evidence that the territory itself was internationally recognised as Palestine before 1948 😭 dear Maureen, you are accidentally disproving your own argument also posting one extremist newspaper clipping from the 1930s or references to Nazi contacts does not suddenly transform all Palestinians or all Arabs across generations into Nazis any more than extremist Zionist militias like Irgun or Lehi would justify reducing all Jews or Israelis into terrorists. Serious historical analysis does not work through collective guilt and cherry-picked headlines or reducing entire populations into caricatures. That is propaganda logic 🤯

@MaksRutkowski @mitsyarty @gegoro_oro Even the Arabs called the "Zionists" Palestinians. Of course this was before the Egyptian Yassar Arrafat decided it would be easier to steal even that from Jews and play the victim in perpetuaty. You need to maybe get a refund on thoelsenstudies fella

Arab armies invaded after the declaration of Israel in 1948 and nobody denies that but presenting the entire war as history began the moment arab states crossed the border completely removes everything that happened BEFORE that point. Go to google or Wikipedia and chceck what happend in the time neighbouring Arab armies entered the war, ill help you: hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were already fleeing or being expelled from towns and villages during the civil war phase that started after the UN partition plan in 1947 and there were already massacres, militia attacks, fear campaigns and entire communities collapsing before May 1948 :) even Israeli historians like Benny Morries have written extensively about that period. This is exactly why people accuse these narratives of propaganda:) they isolate one moment in history and present it as “the beginning” while erasing all context leading up to it. So…you cannot seriously discuss 1948 while pretending the displacement and violence affecting Palestinians only started AFTER Arab armies intervened. History did not begin on the day most convenient for one side’s narrative. And again this is exactly the problem with your selective historical framing but I’m happy see how hard u trying to prove something :) I appreciate it 😊

@MaksRutkowski @mitsyarty @gegoro_oro x.com/ShimonLevit/st…

And this is exactly where your argument starts contradicting itself. You keep trying to prove that because Jews were also called “Palestinians” during the British Mandate, modern Palestinian identity must somehow be fake or “hijacked”. But that logic actually destroys your own argument, not mine haha 😛 if Jews living there under the Mandate could be called Palestinians while still remaining Jewish with their own identity, culture and national aspirations, then clearly the term “Palestinian” was never exclusive to only one ethnic or religious group in the first place. It described the territory and the people living there at that time so instead of disproving Palestinian identity, you are accidentally proving that multiple identities, communities and historical connections existed there simultaneously; Jews, Muslim Arabs, Christian Arabs and others all lived in Mandatory Palestine and this is literally why the history is complicated. Besides everything the irony is that you accept Jewish identity evolving through centuries, diaspora, migration and changing political realities, but Palestinian identity suddenly becomes “fake” or “invented” unless it fits your ideological framing 🤯 That is not objective history but only selective legitimacy where one population’s identity is treated as eternal while another population’s identity is treated as disposable and ironically the more you try to erase Palestinian identity, the more you prove how deeply rooted and politically threatening its existence clearly is to your narrative :)

@MaksRutkowski @mitsyarty @gegoro_oro Was there any mention of Eretz Israel on this passport? No Hebrew whatsoever? The Jews were called Palestinians before the name was hijacked by the Arab settlers en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory…

And this is exactly the kind of statement that proves my point about oversimplification and dehumanisation. You just reduced nearly 2 billion Muslims from dozens of countries, cultures and political systems into one single extremist mindset 😳by that logic Bosnia, Albania, Kosovo, parts of Central Asia or even the millions of Muslims living peacefully in western countries should all be permanently at war with Jews too, yet reality clearly does not work like that. The Middle East is full of political conflicts, nationalism, foreign interventions, sectarian divisions, colonial history and power struggles. Reducing all of that to “Muslims hate Jews because they want an Islamic Middle East” is not serious historical analysis, it is ideological propaganda. Jews actually lived for centuries across many Muslim-majority societies long before modern ideological Zionism, modern Israel or Hamas existed. Sometimes peacefully, sometimes with tensions just like in Christian Europe, except Europe eventually produced the Holocaust through Nazi Germany, not the Middle East… And look at my country - Poland. Jews lived there for centuries too, became part of society, culture, business, science and daily life. Were there periods of antisemitism and violence? Of course, just like in many parts of Europe. But reducing all of Polish or European history to “Christians always wanted Jews dead” would obviously be dishonest and absurd. So why apply that same simplistic logic to all Muslims and all Palestinians? ironically your argument completely removes Palestinians as actual human beings with political grievances and turns them into some kind of permanently radicalised hatred machine instead of people shaped by history, war, occupation and trauma like every other population on earth. That is exactly the kind of dehumanising thinking

@MaksRutkowski @mitsyarty @gegoro_oro It's not complicated at all. Muslims will never accept a Jewish nation in the Middle East because they think the Middle East should be exclusively Islamic. That's it.

XD No, Immigration and military occupation are obviously not the same thing and you know that. You don’t have to play games. An immigrant moving legally into another country and integrating into society is completely different from a state expanding settlements into occupied territory under military protection while another population lives under unequal control for generations. Those are two entirely different discussions and pretending they are identical is just your rhetorical deflection. As someone who actually studies Middle Eastern history i find it strange how selectively you treat historical identity cuz “Judea and Samaria” are anciient biblical terms, but that does not magically erase the fact that for centuries the region was also internationally, administratively and socially recognised under names connected to Palestine, especially during the Ottoman and British Mandate periods. Even maps, newspapers, passports and institutions used the term Palestine long before Israel existed. More importantly, history is not determined only by what a territory was called 2000 years ago. Modern nations and identities are shaped by continuous human presence, culture, language, collective memory and lived reality and Palestinians lived there generation after generation with towns, villages, churches, mosques, markets, cemeteries and family histories deeply rooted in that land. Pretending they are somehow “invented” because you prefer biblical terminology is not serious history but only ideological framing and if the world will start applying the logic that only the oldest historical name or kingdom determines modern legitimacy, then half the modern world collapses into endless revisionist territorial claim. The irony is that you accuse others of denying history while simultaneously trying to reduce Palestinian identity to “an occupation name” as if millions of people with families, towns, culture and collective memory simply appeared out of nowhere. That is exactly the kind of dehumanising simplification i was talking about from the beginning

@MaksRutkowski @mitsyarty @gegoro_oro So you're anti-immigrant? I'm an immigrant, must I go back to where I came from? Also Judea and Samaria have always been Judea and Samaria, with the exception of the 19 years Jordan occupied it. The "West Bank" is an occupation name for the area.

When i say some practices or rhetoric are “neo-Nazi-like”, i am NOT saying Israelis or Jews are Nazis. I am talking about specific mechanisms that history has already shown Europe before: dehumanising an entire population, collective punishment, extremist ethnonationalist rhetoric, treating one group’s lives as less valuable, justifying civilian deaths as “necessary”, normalising permanent control over another population and raising generations under fear and military domination. As a Pole whose family lived through Nazi occupation, i do not use those comparisons lightly. The point is not “Israel = Nazi Germany”, the point is that no nation traumatised by history should repeat forms of dehumanisation against others while believing its own suffering makes it morally incapable of crossing dangerous lines. History shows every society is capable of that under fear, trauma and radicalisation :) anyway saying “it was never Palestine” does not erase the fact that millions of Palestinians lived there for generations, had towns, villages, families, culture and identity long before Hamas existed and long before social media turned this conflict into slogans. A people do not suddenly disappear because you dislike the name attached to their identity or because borders changed under empires and mandates. By that logic huge parts of the modern world could be declared “not real”. And another thing id that constantly using only the biblical names “Judea and Samaria” while denying Palestine is also part of the framing problem because most modern Israeli Jews themselves do not even originate from ancient Judea or Samaria. Many families came from Europe, Russia, North Africa, the Middle East and many other parts of the world over the last century while Palestinians also physically lived on that land continuously for generations. You cannot seriously argue that one group’s historical connection from thousands of years ago completely erases another population that was already living there with their own towns, villages and identity. If we applied that logic consistently, half the modern world would collapse into endless territorial claims and ethnic conflicts. You also keep focusing entirely on Hamas’ charter while avoiding the fact that extremist rhetoric and dehumanising language is existing inside parts of Israeli politics for years. Ministers, settlers and public figures openly talking about displacement, erasing whole nation, collective punishment or “no innocent civilians” did not exactly help peace either. Extremism is not magically evil on one side and understandable on the other depending on the flag and this is what i mean when i say your framing removes reality from the conversation. You want the conflict to be emotionally simple: “civilised democracy defending itself against irrational hatred” but reality is far messier and more uncomfortable than that

@MaksRutkowski @mitsyarty @gegoro_oro ...I note you end by comparing Israel acts like neoNazis. Surely a better comparison would be that of Hamas' own charter. In addition, Judea and Samaria is not Palestine, it is disputed territory...it was never Palestine, neither was Gaza. Still isn't.

And this is exactly what I mean by selective logic but deep down i think you know this conflict is more complicated than the black-and-white version you keep repeating, because every time history, power imbalance or Palestinian civilian suffering is mentioned, you avoid engaging with it directly and immediately move the conversation back to Hamas rockets. That is not because the points are weak, it is because acknowledging them would force you to question a narrative where one side is permanently civilised and the other side is permanently evil. And obviously Israel did not personally “deliver rockets”, but when you control borders, airspace, sea access, imports, exports, population registry and movement for millions of people, you are still exercising enormous control over that territory whether you like that wording or not. Even Israeli officials and international organisations have acknowledged that reality for years :)

@MaksRutkowski @mitsyarty @gegoro_oro Ok, this is a lot of words. So I'll start with "controls...borders...imports". So you're saying Israel controlled all those missiles that went into Gaza that Gaza then in turn fired onto Israel?

Equal freedom means Palestinians should be allowed to live like normal human beings, not like a population permanently managed under military control while another population on the same land enjoys full rights, full movement and state protection. It means an Israeli family should not fear rockets or terrorism and a Palestinian family should not fear checkpoints, airstrikes, night raids, children being detained in military prisons or civilians being killed while trying to reach humanitarian aid. Right now Israel has one of the strongest militaries in the world, controls borders, airspace, water, imports, movement and continues expanding settlements in occupied territory, while the other side is stateless, divided and living under occupation, blockade or military pressure for generations. Human rights organisations, UN reports and even Israeli voices have documented cases of Palestinian minors being detained, civilians shot during raids or protests and deadly incidents around aid convoys. Pretending people are angry for “no reason” while generations grow up seeing this reality is simply dishonest and this is the part people avoid because it destroys the simple social media narrative:security cannot become a permanent excuse for endless occupation and control, if another country controlled Israelis for decades with checkpoints, military raids, restricted movement and expanding foreign settlements, Israelis would resist too and nobody would call that reaction irrational. That does NOT justify terrorism or killing civilians from Hamas or anyone else but it also means Palestinians are not required to quietly accept permanent domination while the world tells them their anger exists in a vacuum. That is not “equal freedom”. That is one population having power over another indefinitely and calling it security. That’s neonazi practice.

@MaksRutkowski @mitsyarty @gegoro_oro What does "equal freedom" in the context of Israel and the Palestinians mean?

You keep trying to force this conflict into a simple “good vs evil” story where one side is pure civilisation and the other side just irrationally hates Jews but history simply does not support that narrative. No, I never said there was no anti-Jewish violence before Israel existed because of course there was, just like there was also violence from Zionist militias before Israel was established including bombings, assassinations and massacres that many historians today classify as terrorism and that is exactly the point that violence did not begin with one side only. Another thing people constantly ignore is that Jews already lived across historic Palestine alongside Muslims and Christians for generations and during the British Mandate many Jews fleeing persecution in Europe arrived there too and this was not originally some endless religious war where Arabs simply wanted every Jew dead because if that were true coexistence for centuries would never have existed in the first place. What exploded later was nationalism, land disputes, partition plans, militias, displacement, wars, occupation and decades of mutual trauma and fear. Palestinians did not wake up one morning in a vacuum and randomly invent anger and Israelis did not develop fear in a vacuum either. The reason these discussions go nowhere online is because every time someone mentions occupation, settlements, checkpoints, displacement or dead Palestinian civilians people instantly reduce everything to “they hate Jews” because emotionally it is easier than admitting this conflict is built on decades of political failures, extremism, power imbalance and historical trauma on BOTH sides. You mention security and yes every country has the right to protect civilians from terrorism but at some point people stop seeing permanent military occupation, expanding settlements, unequal systems and millions living without sovereignty or equal freedom as “temporary security” and start seeing domination and control. And condemning Hamas does not automatically mean people must support every action of the Israeli government because even Israelis themselves constantly criticise Netanyahu, settlement expansion and the way this war has been conducted including journalists, former officials, hostage families and human rights organisations so are they all antisemitic too? Reality is simply far more uncomfortable than the black-and-white narrative social media pushes every day

@MaksRutkowski @mitsyarty @gegoro_oro So you're saying that I am mistaken about this being about wanting Jews out of the region & that any indication that this is the case is merely taken out of context & not the words & deeds of Arabs in the region? And you used Christians as an example of that?

But this is exactly why I keep saying the history didn’t begin with Hamas, the Intifadas or even modern Palestinian militancy. Before Israel was even established, there were already Jewish paramilitary groups like Irgun and Lehi carrying out bombings, assassinations and attacks ( inclouding killing British people) that many historians today classify as terrorism - including the King David Hotel bombing and Deir Yassin. That doesn’t justify attacks on civilians today from anyone. It simply proves violence in this conflict did not begin with one side being “evil” and the other being completely innocent. Check: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(mil…

@MaksRutkowski @mitsyarty @gegoro_oro I find it interesting that you say things haven't happened in a vacuum, and yet you forget check points were bought about because of the 1st and 2nd intifada, where the goal was to kill Israelis. Did you expect Israel to do nothing to protect their citizens in response?

Again you are oversimplifying an extremely complex history into selective talking points….😳 Jews historically DID live in Gaza and across Palestine for centuries alongside Muslims and Christians and till today Christian’s live and dying there with Muslims. This conflict was not originally “Jews vs Arabs” in the simplistic way social media presents it today and regarding settlements in the West Bank,the issue is not “Jews existing there” the issue is military occupation, internationally disputed settlements expanding under armed protection, unequal legal systems and Palestinians living without full sovereignty or equal control over land and movement. Even many Israeli and international legal experts dispute the legality of large parts of the settlement project. As for Jordan and Egypt, Palestinians absolutely did resist outside control and demanded self-determination long before Hamas existed. But neither Jordan nor Egypt spent decades building expanding civilian settlements across the territory while controlling borders, checkpoints, water, airspace and military access in the way Israel does today. That is why the comparison is not viewed as equivalent by many historians and international organisations and this is exactly why reducing the entire conflict to “they hate Jews” prevents any honest discussion because once you remove occupation, displacement and power imbalance from the conversation, you stop analysing history and start defending narratives and it looks like u have no idea what happend, when and by whom

@MaksRutkowski @mitsyarty @gegoro_oro OK. Why are there no Jews in Gaza? And in terms of the "West Bank" (Judea & Samaria), why are Jews not allowed to settle there? And why were Palestinian Arabs not demanding Jordan hank it over when they occupied that land? Or that Egypt hand over Gaza when they occupied it?

The problem with your framing is that it completely removes history, power imbalance and reality from the conversation. You reduce everything to “Hamas wants Jews dead” as if the conflict began in a vacuum and millions of Palestinians simply woke up one day hating people for no reason. 🤯 Hamas was founded in 1987. With the support of Natenjahu and u can check all of it online. Palestinians were already being displaced, occupied, killed, expelled from villages and living under military control decades before that. Gaza did not create the occupation, the occupation created Gaza as we know it today. Next. You say “nobody has to die if they just accept it”, but accept what exactly? accept military occupation? accept illegal settlements expanding year after year? accept checkpoints, blockades, demolished homes and generations growing up without basic freedom? accept being treated as a permanent lower class while another group controls borders, airspace, resources and movement? no nation on earth would peacefully accept that forever. Not British people, not Polish people, not Israelis either and this is exactly why many people no longer trust the media narrative around this war. Because every time someone speaks about dead Palestinian civilians, destroyed neighbourhoods or human rights abuses, they are immediately smeared as “pro-Hamas” or “antisemitic” instead of engaging with the actual facts while is easy to check everything. I condemn Hamas killing civilians. I also condemn collective punishment, mass civilian deaths and extremist rhetoric from parts of the Israeli government. Human rights are not supposed to depend on nationality or religion. Either innocent life matters equally, or it doesn’t

@MaksRutkowski @mitsyarty @gegoro_oro In addition recognising that it is Hamas policy and charter to destroy Israel and kill Jews wherever they find them, is essential to the framing of this conflict. Nobody has to die if they just accept that this charter will only lead to more death, and reject their own charter.

@MMichnacki @K_Kaminski_ Ale to nie wybory do parlamentu tylko do urzędów miast i burmistrzów

@K_Kaminski_ Spokojnie, za 4 lata reform bedzie w dokladnie tej samej sytuacji bo gospodarka dalej bedzie w stagnacji, a imigrantow przybedzie znow, tam traci ten kto aktualnie u wladzy

Skoro – według polskich mediów – większość Brytyjczyków chce powrotu do UE, to dlaczego wybory lokalne wygrywa antyunijna Reform UK Nigela Farage’a?

There is a difference between legal immigrants who work, pay taxes and build a life here, and illegal immigration or completely uncontrolled migration policies. Even many immigrants themselves understand that distinction. I’m an immigrant myself and I don’t feel offended by people wanting functioning borders, lower pressure on housing and better managed migration. Most ordinary people are talking about policy and system pressure… not hating random foreign workers

@MaksRutkowski And many Reformers will have woken up this morning with immigrants leaving the country because they are not welcome realising there is nobody to clean their toilets at work, clean their offices, serve them in hospitality, look after ppl in care homes, deliver their stuff etc. 😆

Council tax has been going up for years under multiple parties already, while many local services were still getting worse. That frustration didn’t suddenly appear overnight because of Reform and if Reform councils also fail people, waste money or raise taxes without improving anything, voters can remove them too. That’s the whole point of elections :) A lot of people simply reached the stage where they wanted to try something different after years of feeling ignored by the same local political structures ✌🏼

@MaksRutkowski And in come reform , and immediately put council tax up .