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@G0ffThew @pitoumoder Imagine a slave revolt/civil war story where the conclusion is that freedom isnt what would make the slaves happy, but kinder masters.

@pitoumoder IMO the point was that Makima was abusive, like every other "owner" Denji has had. He's happier than he was under her as a "stray" in season 2, but also not capable of the foresight required to become truly happy on his own. He needs Nayuta to give him guidance & structure.

@ChiefBarnesArt @DalibanW @AlpelDokkan "dude it was foreshadowed!" "when?" "last chapter!" ... ... ... ...

@DalibanW @MatinaComics @AlpelDokkan Head canon, if you say so. Like I said pochita wadnt just a concept that could easily be removed. Like pochita said, he didn’t know what would happen. Know we do.

Yall are so illiterate LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO😭😭

@BoozSrna except shes not treating denji like she treated him in the prev TL, shes treating him like the classmates she saw as beneath her in the previous timeline. Literally nothing indicating shes still nice. Nayuta entered this chapter saying bother of them are going to belong to her

@MatinaComics his boss who acts exactly like nayuta after denjis care and not like the emotionless orphan. he throws away a chainsaw to catch asa and she gives him the title that once belonged to him. spiritually all that shit happened and sticks with the next iterations of them

my gripe with the ending is that it vindicates yoshida here…

@LecheLibehaber @noidnoidnoidev The control devil showed up, knocked them both out and the next thing we do is see them working for her against her will.

@MatinaComics @noidnoidnoidev Working a job is not the same as being a yakuza slave or being makimas dog bro you can’t believe that

I am still extremely melancholic that it ended and I can't stop thinking about it. I've been defending Chainsaw Man from superficial criticism for over 6 years lmao so nothing is more symbolic to me than doing this one last time (at least during its release). Chainsaw Man isn't about Chainsaw Man (kinda is at the end). Chainsaw Man has always, always been about Denji. Chainsaw Man was always Denji and Pochita was always Denji's heart. But for a long time, the work and we, the audience, considered the two as separate entities. And this is the main, and perhaps ONLY, catalyst for all the conflicts in Part 2. I can't understand anyone who isn't satisfied with this ending because of "loose ends". It took 200+ chapters for you to understand that the great universe and great characters are just the foundation to tell Denji's story? A story that rewards a character who, even after losing everything, kept following his dream and ALWAYS looking for a third option in the midst of dilemmas where both options suck. ALL the fights Denji won were always through his ability to find ways out of "no way out" situations, and not about how strong he is. The work ALWAYS prioritized closing thematic arcs rather than narrative arcs per se. And the second part is completely self-aware, and to me, this ending is perfect. I always knew that only a happy ending would make sense for the manga. Being the Chainsaw Man (hero/devil) we know became Denji's crutch that sustained him after so many traumas. After Makima disappeared, the single problem for everything that happened was the fact that Denji still wanted to be this hero, or at least his idealized version of it. Just like any addiction that stems from our defense systems in trauma situations. It's very common for people who have suffered abuse to persist with habits and raised defenses even after they are "safe" from those abuses. And these quirks become a burden and a problem, just like the burden of being Chainsaw Man was for Denji. The story concluding with him dropping this symbol and not letting himself be carried away by the options imposed by others is sensational. And this point is proven when he, and we as the audience, are totally rewarded, whether by saving Asa from the same cycle of traumas as his, saving the world, seeing Power and Nayuta happy, and Denji doing good just because he wants to and can. And the paradox is that this is what truly makes him Chainsaw Man and the hero he is, without needing a devil's heart. So, in the end, Chainsaw Man is about Chainsaw Man, but Chainsaw Man isn't the hero of hell, but rather our Denji. ++

@noidnoidnoidev @LecheLibehaber hes back to square 1 tho. I get how pochita saw itself as a problem because he was so powerful, denji became a target by association but this doesnt fix anything. This is essentially denji being forced into taking the country mouse lifestyle never knowing he lived as a city mouse

I get what you're saying. but he's not that same lonely, isolated boy selling his organs to survive anymore. Now he has a noble job (he can save people and make choices, if it was makima in control, he would have to kill bucky, for example) and people to share affection. It that's still slavery, then we'd have to discuss capitalism and japanese society hahaha

@BoozSrna @nbasamitaka does he really seem happy to you? And its not like he went thru the same experiences with this asa, power and nayuta as he did in the prev timeline. Power is his annoying coworker that wants him as a slave. Nayuta literally has him as a slave. Asa is just some chick he saw 2day

@nbasamitaka not really. yoshida seems extremely depressed and as such, feels alone in traveling thru life. denji at the end is still fairly happy, he has ppl in his life that care abt him and he knows it

@bryan_gower @Raramusume @danny_saaan (timeline was undone so they learnt nothing). This is thinking they were the protagonist of part 1 (denji) and part 2 (asa), but I suppose it could have actually referred to pochita instead

@bryan_gower @Raramusume @danny_saaan gonna laugh my ass off cause I just thought about this reading the segment from the interview he said "but the protagonist had development" in regards to TBL and what he wants to emulate for csm. I was pissed off because because neither denji nor asa had development

The concept that Asa lost character development because of the world reset is flawed. Her entire story revolves around carrying guilt that isn't hers and clinging to a reason to live because of it. Her savior complex was harming herself

@LecheLibehaber @noidnoidnoidev does he look happy to you? Hes the same constantly tired kid thats slaving himself off working to death living paycheck to paycheck as he was in the first chapter

@MatinaComics @noidnoidnoidev He gets to live his happy life now

@Raramusume @bryan_gower @danny_saaan Well yeah. Im gonna sound low IQ but last time I visited a museum, it was with a friend and I tagged along because I wanted to draw statues and take reference pictures. The actual subject matter (as in, what they were meant to convey) didnt matter as much to me

@MatinaComics @bryan_gower @danny_saaan But I'm asking about you, not what some art historian has to say about it. Does nothing come out of you ?

@Raramusume @bryan_gower @danny_saaan something when the guy who belongs to the family he allowed to die to save that cat showed up but alas, he didnt learn a thing

@Raramusume @bryan_gower @danny_saaan denji in part 2 might as well be a different guy entirely compared to the ending of p1. Doing hero stuff purely for the attention of it, straight up scamming homeless people, never bothering to look for the blood devil and just retreading p1 arcs again. Thought he was gonna learn

@bryan_gower @Raramusume @danny_saaan yeah tahts my point.

@MatinaComics @Raramusume @danny_saaan lol part 1 is great but not typical, if anything part 2 is more typical Fujimoto writing.

@bryan_gower @Raramusume @danny_saaan you already knew about fujimoto apparently and liked all of his other works. Only other thing of his I saw was look back and part 1. Part 1 satisfied me and I assumed it was gonna be more like that.

@bryan_gower @Raramusume @danny_saaan "Criticing art? obviously yuo must hate it!" its a valid point. Im gonna be stuck disappointed in the manga but some guy picking it up years from now probably wont be annoyed by the ending as he wont be waiting week by week and discussing with others about what might happen

@bryan_gower @Raramusume @danny_saaan all of that shit was undone and the only effect it has on him in the new timeline is vague notions of something being off or maybe missing. He literally has no clue what hes missing out on now, just as he did in chapter 1. There is nothing to abide

@MatinaComics @Raramusume @danny_saaan are you dumb? denji got his dream of being Chainsaw man and now has his dream of a “normal” life, he’s gotten to at least 3rd base before and has realized that none of it is all that it’s made out to be thus the dude abides

@Raramusume @bryan_gower @danny_saaan let me rephrase: What do you think the message is, or what did you get out of the story? This is a discussion and the topic is about the CSM ending. I explained my position and what my interpretation is. Now its your turn, even if the answer is "I havent made my mind up yet"

@MatinaComics @bryan_gower @danny_saaan I think you're engaging with it wrong already by asking "what's the message", I don't think this is the sort of story that is meant to spell out some sort of moral at the end.

@bryan_gower @Raramusume @danny_saaan if the ending to the big lebowski really is as annoying as people say then atleast it had the benefit of being a single movie which really helps soften the blow of the ending. Its not like it was the final piece of a story running for 8 years

@bryan_gower @Raramusume @danny_saaan would you honestly have brought up that movie if it wasnt mentioned in an interview? No I havent seen it. It was before my time. Only thing I know about it is the stranger in the alps censorship and that theyre bowling