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@clutchjohnson56 @logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube Seems like a bunch of quite mines tbh, a tactic quite common with RCs. Also I don’t see anything here that says Muslims worship the same God.

@Morethanjacoby @logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube

Put it in your calendars. It's gonna be a good one. DEBATE: Do Muslims Worship The Christian God? youtube.com/live/xDad1nVY7… via @YouTube

@clutchjohnson56 @logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube There could be, could also just be teaching in error, there are levels to this. Also as you pointed out a synodal council would need to dispose them. Which patriarch are you referring to?

@Morethanjacoby @logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube So you got heretical patriarchs?

@realStopFaking @ChamberlainAug I don’t presume to know people’s motives.

@Morethanjacoby @ChamberlainAug And to be clear, that's all anyone else sees too. And thats the problem, no one has to assume anything except what they see.

Much love to @paleochristcon, Andrew is a legend. However, he lost this debate - badly. 1. First time I've seen Andrew come out of the gate in bad faith. He knew the prompt was a joke, yet treated it as gospel. 2. Andrew then proposes hypotheticals to the "joke prompt" that make no sense whatsoever. They even fail logically. (It doesn't matter what someone "thinks" the truth is. The actual truth has no bearing on the opinon of someone who said it. That is logically consistent.) 3. Then he goes to defend the commentary of @JayDyer (where he affirms the accusation from @muslimorthodoxy that @GodLogic_GL is a grifter), but offers no actual evidence to support Jay's position on this. 4. In the end it's just Andrew trying to get "gotcha" moments instead of actually addressing the REAL topic. In this debate Andrew does everything he possibly can not to talk about what actually happened. 5. Throughout the debate Andrew pretends to play ignorant as to the true motivations of the Dawa Guys, and why they are all flocking to Jay's defense. Andrew went in hostile, not willing to do anything or engage in anything other than try to catch David in a logical fallacy so he could claim a superficial victory. I respect @paleochristcon & @JayDyer both, very much. It's dissapointing to see them completely blind as to why they all of a sudden have a vibrant muslim fan base 🤦‍♂️ I would like to see @JayDyer apologize to @GodLogic_GL & retract his accusation. @Acts17David should do the same and retract what he said about @JayDyer being cultish. Everyone mend fences and move on to what's important; falsifying the most dangerous ideology ever created - Islam. A hard pill to swallow for both, but that's the right thing to do guys. Full debate (no clips do justice): youtube.com/live/dl5E74_w2…

@clutchjohnson56 @logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube The church is quite clear on what the trinity is, anyone saying otherwise would be going against the mind of the Church.

@Morethanjacoby @logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube church leaders aren’t infallible so you don’t gotta listen to them bc I get to test what’s orthodoxy. That’s your arguement right now against your church leaders teaching the same thing Catholics do

@clutchjohnson56 @logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube I don’t see how I’m arguing like a Protestant.

@Morethanjacoby @logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube Never said that but keep arguing like a Protestant

@realStopFaking @ChamberlainAug How do you know Jay hasn’t done that behind the scenes? You’re assuming his motives based on your assumptions.

Absolutely, there's nothing that matters more than that. The purpose of life on this Earth is to glorify God in everything you do. Which is why I find Jay's approach to Avery astonishing. Instead of reaching out to him, he decided to publicly humiliate him by endorsing a smear from one of his rivals. Consequently, any Muslims Avery had 'on the fence' are likely back firmly in their own camp now. Jay & Avery were live streaming together just a few months ago... debunking unitarians togrther. You'd think if he was genuinely concerned for his brother's sin, he'd have said something then. Because nothing has changed since. I do not like that, but you're more than welcome to try and convince me it was all a great idea and worthy of such stalwart defense.

@clutchjohnson56 @logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube How are what patriarchs say infallible?

@Morethanjacoby @logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube You do understand your church defines dogma through synod councils right? If you have your leadership teaching something you find heretical there has to be a council to condemn it.

@clutchjohnson56 @logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube lol you’re not a serious person

@Morethanjacoby @logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube Well show me a synod declaring it heretical that patriarchs teach that Muslims worship the same God buddy

@JayDyer @Nickykatschu Jay getting 4k viewers between X and YouTube is well deserved.

OPEN DEBATE! PROTESTANT CRASHOUT! E-vangelicals Vs One True Church Pt 2 x.com/i/broadcasts/1…

@realStopFaking @ChamberlainAug Then work out your salvation with Christ and go to his church. There is no other purpose that matters more in life than that.

@Morethanjacoby @ChamberlainAug You'll hear no arguments from me regarding that!

@clutchjohnson56 @logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube Not the same thing

@Morethanjacoby @logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube Your patriarchs say differently

@clutchjohnson56 @logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube You’re thinking of Roman Catholics bud

@logicbot1162233 @ByJimbob @YouTube Alex is already wrong in the debate bc his own church teaches Muslims worship the same God

@realStopFaking @ChamberlainAug Yes Orthodoxy is pre denomination. It is the Church that gave us everything. It was, is and will be guided by the Holy Spirit.

I really don't have the bandwidth for a theological debate today - but you can always DM me and we can talk about it at your convienence. I don't believe God's nature changes. If God says this is how you are saved, then that is how you are saved. I have not seen any scripture to back up the assertion that God can save who he wants to - absent Jesus's sacrifice. While yes, he could, he wouldn't according to scripture. It is made very clear what the road to salvation is. It's not through works, but through grace. It's not through tradition, but through faith. It's not through sacraments, but through belief that Jesus is God. That he was crucified and raised from the dead on the 3rd day, and will return again. And that you repent, turn from your sin and walk in the footsteps of Jesus as he did on this Earth... all of which is laid out much better in the Nicene Creed, which knows no denomination. Does true belief inevitably lead to the desire for works, traditions and sacraments? Yes it should. Matthew 7:16-20, however that isn't how one is saved.

@realStopFaking @JayDyer @paleochristcon If GL knows about church history and various other topics, but refuses to be honest with himself and at least inquire into the church, and instead remains as a non denom or anything other than Orthodox for the sake of keeping his audience or whatever that that’s a grift.

I'm going to be honest with you, I'm not sure I have a label/denomination other than Christian. Protestantism isn't the same as it once was. Babtist, Methodist, Presbyterian, most of them have been hijacked by satanists... Not even mincing words. And it was enevidable as Protestantism never really had a solid foundation (unlike Orthodoxy which has held onto it's foundation for over 2k years). I'm familiar with Orthodox theology & practices, and there's nothing I disagree with. The Orthodox approach to the Bible is what stands out to me as one of the best things about it. Now that you know all of that - you still don't get to be disingenuous about what I said. It is an objective fact that Jay has accrued large muslim engagement in response to his endorsement of the accusation against Avery of grifting. There are re-tweets all over the place, it's just a fact. The Dawa Guys are using this to discredit Avery and undo the work he's been doing to combat Islam, this is also a fact. Like it or not.

@realStopFaking @ChamberlainAug The Church doesn’t say who is and who isn’t saved, it does make the exclusive claim that salvation is only through the One true church. However Christ is the ultimate judge and can save whom He saves like the theif, but that’s an exception to the rule.

No, it won't affect Jay at all. Not even a little. I don't agree that pulling people away from Islam into the protestant theology Avery aspouses is harmful. What is important is showing them the logical inconsisencies and moral failures of their own religion. I was once a protestant. That's how I learned about Orthodoxy. And I don't believe only Orthodox Christians are saved. Any believer that adheres to the Nicene Creed will be saved - that doesn't just apply to Orthodoxy. But that's a theological debate I don't have time for atm lol.

@realStopFaking @OrthoAugustin @JayDyer @paleochristcon Then join Christ’s church.

The truth is the truth whether someone's a protestant or not, which I am absolutely not. Protestant doesn't mean the same thing it used to mean 30 years ago, it's been hijacked by satanists, not even mincing words, which was enividable without a solid foundation (like Orthodoxy has held onto for 2000 yrs). Although I'm not an official member of the Orthodox church, I do not hold any theological disagreements. And none of that has any bearing over misrepresenting what I've said.

@realStopFaking @JayDyer @paleochristcon “I respect @paleochristcon & @JayDyer both, very much. It's dissapointing to see them completely blind as to why they all of a sudden have a vibrant muslim fan base 🤦‍♂️” Yes it is.

Yeah, that's not what I said. I didn't know dishonesty was so treasured in your little club. @JayDyer has a lot of muslim support right NOW because of his bad behavior towards other Christians. Protestant or not, doesn't matter. Provide the evidence of a grift or repent and ask for forgiveness.

@realStopFaking @paleochristcon @JayDyer @GodLogic_GL If he’s not guiding people to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church then we should care about where people like Godlogic, DW and IP are sending people.

@JayDyer Yeah, no, that doesn't apply to me. I agree with you on 99% of everything you say. You were even one of the first people that got me interested in Orthodoxy - so chill your shit. I'm just looking at this objectively. I don't care if @GodLogic_GL is protestant or not when it comes to the battle he's fighting, and neither should you. And it certainly isn't a "grift". Remember Proverbs 6:16-19

@realStopFaking @JayDyer @paleochristcon Ok what are you?

@Morethanjacoby @JayDyer @paleochristcon And I'm not protestant, numpty lol

@JayDyer @realStopFaking @paleochristcon Yeah I’m in agreement with you. I was saying that the prot guy was making a stupid assertion.

@Morethanjacoby @realStopFaking @paleochristcon I spent 8 years debating muslims. I dont have a muslim fanbase liar