Morality without addiction

Most people like being alive, therefore procreation is morally justified. Most drug users like the effect of the drug they use, therefore forcing people to take drugs is morally justified. Hold still. #antinatalism

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@DefiantLs L parenting, because he made his child feel pain and suffer and die by creating him.

What do you think? W or L parenting?

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@Sallubju Do you think it's necessary to survive as a species?

@NatalistAnti If it's necessary to survive as a species, I consider any pain for everyone justified

Natalists: harming people without consent is fucked up. Antinatalists: procreation harms people without consent. ... #antinatalism

@Sallubju 2/2 ...engaging with apparent dishonest and ignorant interlocutors. Please try again or don't bother replying.

@Sallubju 1/2 That's the second time you've "missed the point". Either you genuinely don't understand the point being made or you're hiding behind an alleged misunderstanding to avoid addressing the point. And you ignored my question about whether you read my Substack. Not interested in...

The non-existent don't matter until you propose to harm them by creating them. Prior to their existence, appeals to their positive feelings are appeals to yours in disguise. Find another hobby. #antinatalism

@Sallubju 2/2 it makes heroin imposition moral. Did you read my Substack post?

@Sallubju 1/2 Using the same logic, the people I force to take heroin will feel the impulse to take heroin so giving them heroin is not an imposition. I'm simply the guardian of non-heroin-users' desire to take heroin until I force them to take it. If your logic makes procreation moral,

@Sallubju Thanks. The biological impulse you speak of serves to enhance/regulate your mental. You believe making other innocent people feel pain and suffering and die via procreation is moral because it enhances/regulates your mental health. Why I think this: moralitywithoutaddiction.substack.com/p/why-i-think-…

@NatalistAnti Yes

@Sallubju Is that why you think procreation is morally justified?

@NatalistAnti Before their existence, their biological impulse is my one. So I have the authority to make the decision for them.

@Sallubju Do you draw a line on that perspective, and if so, where? Presumably you'd consider it morally wrong for someone to make your pain part of their life, as opposed to justified?

@NatalistAnti Pain is justified because it's a necessary part of life.

@Sallubju I think you missed the point. My point was that if liking the effects of a condition morally justifies imposing that condition on others, then along with procreation being morally justified, by the same standard so is forcing people to take drugs.

@NatalistAnti The difference is that you can live without using drugs. You can't live without being procreated, so it's good and necessary to procreate.

Most people like being alive, therefore procreation is morally justified. Most drug users like the effect of the drug they use, therefore forcing people to take drugs is morally justified. Hold still. #antinatalism

@Kekius_Sage awkward or autism or ai

So sad, sometimes i feel like Elon Musk have no friend

@indusblood It sounds like a battle between intellect and instinct. The classic double i. Intellect tells you it's morally wrong to harm someone with/without consent. Instinct tells you "fuck it".

I don't know why, but whenever I read or hear about antinatalism, the ideology feels disturbingly convincing, and it makes me feel like i shouldn't dive any deeper into it.

@ChudNarodnik I'm an antinatalist and I don't hate kids.

Sidenote I hate how antinatalism is just reddit hatred for children; referring to kids as “crotch goblins” etc is a tell that you just hate kids

@TotalPhilo I see your continued attempts at going viral ridiculing a suffering prevention philosophy is going well.

This post brought to you by: my annoyance at the fact that antinatalism isn't (just) being against natalism