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Why would Jesus hate what He Himself restored?

@RodRuiz14 @Darb_Seyah777 Ok then convince me why I should believe in Catholicism then.

@NotAFeeish @Darb_Seyah777 Your “scientists” aren’t credible.

この本を読んでください、私の日本の兄弟姉妹たち。あなたは、思っていた以上に多くの方法でイエス・キリストを知ることになるでしょう！

@TheDonOfEvery @Rev_says_desu Bro forgot to say "April Fools"

You know there are many good things I would agree with you on and with actually. But, this isn't one of them. Don't spread hate to people that don't deserve it. They just wanna be happy like the rest of us tbh. They need support negativity will only push them away. x.com/i/status/20391…

This is not normal.

@DoggoDog100 @kariwarburton Oh so true. Also gotta love how these weirdos believe in God's starbase Kolob! And worship Joseph Smith! APRIL FOOLS!!! A HOUSE DIVIDED CANNOT STAND YOU ABSOLUTE GOOBER!!!

@kariwarburton The false prophet Joseph smith gains another woman for his father the Devil

I’m a Mormon April Fools!! I’m a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

@MucusMucous1 @TommyBoyo91 @InsaneCope Rape is objectively wrong. Beating a child to death is objectively wrong. You are natrually repulsed by the thought. If you aren't then something is deeply wrong with you.

@TommyBoyo91 @InsaneCope Show me objective morality I'll wait

@InsaneCope Ngl this genuinely pissed me off. They kill the innocent and mock them. Their own children.

@Sola_GPT I legitimately don't know what to tell these people. God is not going to change his plan of salvation so you can larp as a woman. Nor allow same sex marriage. Pretty much all of the liberal issues/polcies are antithetical to God's plan and will.

“We don’t support these things the church has always taught. What are you going to do to retain us?”

@yDYR0OHR5h13004 @Sola_GPT -700 IQ for unironically using the word "cult" to describe The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

@Sola_GPT Yes the Mormon cult does 85% of the legislature is Mormon cult followers and they listen to the Mormon cult leaders when passing law's.

@Mormonger Oop! Pack it up guys. Its jover. We gotta convert to Catholicism. 😔

"What you just said..."

@RodRuiz14 @Darb_Seyah777 Bet you won't look coward. Just keep making your baseless claims of no evidence. youtu.be/83O4nRlnASk?si… youtu.be/QjBpwtXG7CM?si… youtu.be/wIKzqVMMP3c?si… youtu.be/CiOb_DJLf8Y?si… youtu.be/85ND6TUDxVk?si…

@NotAFeeish @Darb_Seyah777 Don’t have to. He made it up. No archaeological evidence unless you twist it. You guys are seriously gullible.

@antiantimormon @jacelala I am thoroughly convinced 90% of trinitarians literally just say things to say things. And when you provide an actual argument or proof of something they just disregard it. And then roleplay like they won an argument they never ACTUALLY interacted with.

Never? In the Bible, there clearly is no Trinity. A few examples: John 17:3 “the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent” Jesus clearly separates the Father as the only true God and Himself as the one sent by that God. That is two distinct identities, not one being described as the same essence. 1 Corinthians 8:6 “one God, the Father… and one Lord Jesus Christ” Paul defines one God as the Father, then separately identifies Jesus Christ as Lord. If “one” meant one essence shared equally, this would be the place to say it, but instead he distinguishes them. John 14:28 “my Father is greater than I” Jesus openly states that the Father is greater than Him. That does not fit with the idea of co-equal persons within one shared being. Luke 22:42 “not my will, but thine, be done” Jesus shows His will submitting to the Father’s will. That is two distinct wills, not one being with a single unified will. Acts 7:55–56 Jesus standing “on the right hand of God” Stephen sees Jesus standing next to God. Not one being, but two clearly distinct persons in different positions. Revelation 3:12 Jesus calls the Father “my God” After His resurrection, Jesus still refers to the Father as His God. That ongoing relationship shows distinction, not identity of essence. John 20:17 “I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God” Jesus again calls the Father His God, even after resurrection. That places Him in relationship to the Father, not as the same being. Mark 13:32 “neither the Son, but the Father” Jesus says the Father knows something that He does not. That shows a difference in knowledge, which cannot exist if they share one identical essence. 1 Timothy 2:5 “one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” A mediator stands between two parties. Jesus cannot be both the one God and the mediator to that same God if He is the exact same being. John 5:30 “I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me” Jesus consistently teaches that He is sent by the Father and follows the Father’s will. That repeated pattern shows distinction in person and role. Hebrews 1:3 “sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high” Jesus is described as sitting at the right hand of God, reinforcing two distinct persons, not one shared being. Matthew 3:16–17 Jesus baptized, Spirit descending, Father speaking All three are present at the same time in different roles and locations. Not one being, but three distinct persons acting simultaneously. John 17:21–23 “that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee… that they may be one, even as we are one” Jesus defines what “one” means. He prays that the disciples become one in the same way He and the Father are one. The disciples do not become one super being that becomes a part of the same essence as God. The disciples remain separate individuals perfectly united in purpose, will, and unity. That shows “one” in scripture refers to unity, not a shared metaphysical essence. Would you like me to refute the Trinity using the writings of the early Christians?

Mormons never actually refute the trinity using the bible.

@RodRuiz14 @Darb_Seyah777 Explain how Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon in 65 days at a rate of over 4k words a day. How did he do it with no draft and quill and ink? How did he predict the archeological discoveries we are continuing to find long after he died and with no way to have known beforehand?

@Darb_Seyah777 So you use a guy conned by a conman as a refutation and you think you did something?

What's more believable: That a barely educated 23-year-old farmboy with just a few years of schooling somehow: - Accurately mapped Lehi’s family’s journey out of Jerusalem along the ancient frankincense trail (unknown in detail at the time), including the exact burial place “Nahom” (matching the later-discovered NHM site tied to a man named Ishmael), - Produced an intricate, consistent narrative with 188 names of plausible Semitic origin (several later confirmed in ancient texts), flawless dictation over long sessions without notes or reminders, complex Hebraic literary structures like chiasmus, and over 200 details once dismissed as anachronisms (with more than 75% later supported by discoveries), - All without any external books or research materials, - Convinced 11 honest witnesses (including family and skeptics) that they physically saw and handled gold plates—three of them shown by an angel—such that lifelong threats, persecution, excommunication, and family pressure never made them recant, - And inspired thousands with reported miracles, healings, angelic visitations, and a theology that has endured and transformed lives for nearly 200 years (including personal experiences of priesthood authority, visions, and confirmations of Christ), **or that the Book of Mormon is true?**

@GarveBrahman @OzarkRequiem 1. Clairify, do you mean authors of the bible or God? 2. WE BELIEVE THE SAME THING! THAT THEY ARE ETERNAL BEINGS! 3. Mortal human bodies are created yes. Our souls are eternal and existed before we came here. Read: Jeramiah 1:5 Job 1:6, 38:4-7 Ecclesiastes 12:7+

@jkdavis89 @OzarkRequiem I asked a Mormon earlier. He never answered: 1. How many Creators are in the KJV? 2. Does the KJV teach that Jesus Christ & the Holy Ghost are created or uncreated? 3. Does the KJV teach that human beings are created or uncreated? 3 questions asked. 3 answers requested 🤙

@ld_commando @AnimeBibleVerse Its not contrary. Read the book its life changing!

@AnimeBibleVerse A lot of mormons in this thread ignoring the “CONTRARY TO WHAT WE HAVE PREACHED TO YOU” bit

@BYUMemesRevived @AnimeBibleVerse Gotta love how 99% of creedal Christians love to bear false witness against us ammirite?

@AnimeBibleVerse False. Jesus and God the Father appeared to Joseph Smith. Don't lie.

@PLAYERONEKNOWN @Emannytheory @AnimeBibleVerse Another Testament of Jesus Christ of course! You silly goose! Its on the cover!

@Emannytheory @AnimeBibleVerse What do you call the book of Mormon then?

If Joseph Smith was deceiving people, how do you explain the testimony of Martin Harris? If anyone had reason to expose the work as a fraud, it was Martin. Martin Harris was the first convert to the restoration outside of the Smith family. He was not a poor or desperate man. He was a successful farmer, respected in his community, and financially secure. He was motivated and built his wealth through hard work and ingenuity. He had everything to lose. Before Martin ever met the Smith family, he had attended at least five different denominations and said the Lord showed him there was no true Church on the earth, and that an angel would come to restore the gospel and bring forth a record. Because of that experience, when he heard about Joseph Smith and the gold plates, he was intrigued. But he didn’t accept it blindly. He questioned, investigated, and prayed. He said God showed him it was true, and he made a covenant to help bring it forth. When new opportunity for additional prosperity came for him with the expansion of the Erie Canal, Martin abandoned his worldly pursuits of additional wealth to assist in the work. He gave money freely. He helped fund Joseph so that Joseph could have time to translate the record. He traveled to New York City to show the characters from the gold plates to scholars. After meeting with Charles Anthon and Dr. Mitchell, Martin came away convinced the record Joseph had was authentic. He traveled to Harmony, PA and for two months he sat beside Joseph and scribed 116 pages that Joseph dictated from the Book of Mormon. But the respected Martin Harris struggled, because his wife, relatives, and the Palmyra community at large thought this quest was foolish. They did not believe, and they wanted proof. He desperately needed evidence. He wanted to show others to restore his good name, to demonstrate that he was not being fooled or the victim of a con. He plead with Joseph, asking to take the manuscript home, for that was the evidence he believed would convince the doubters. He knew the text that Joseph dictated, that he wrote down, was the word of God, the word of an ancient people who were taught the covenants of God. Eventually, he was trusted with the manuscript and took it to Palmyra. But he did not stay true to this covenant to show it only to a few people. And he lost it. 116 pages gone. When he realized what had happened, he cried out: “I have lost my soul.” This was a man who knew the weight of what he was handling, who had spent weeks taking part of the spiritual process transcribing the words of the Lord. Martin was publicly rebuked in revelation, told of his pride, wickedness, and failure. Told that he needed to humble himself. If this was a fraud, wouldn’t this be the moment to expose it? After months of effort, financial sacrifice, and public reprimand, this is when people turn bitter and speak out. Instead, Martin humbled himself. The translation of the Book of Mormon continued without him. And then came the moment everything hinges on. Martin became one of the Three Witnesses. But he didn’t just see the same vision and angel in the same experience as Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer. After feeling the weight of his own lack of humility and sincerely praying, sincerely seeking repentance, Martin and Joseph together had a shared witness and experience where the angel appeared. He saw the angel. He saw the plates. And he said: “’Tis enough; ’tis enough; mine eyes have beheld.” That testimony never wavered. Then came the ultimate test and sacrifice. Printing 5,000 copies of an unknown book by an unknown author in 1830 was astronomically expensive, and Joseph had no other friends who could help finance this. Martin Harris pledged his farm, his livelihood, to pay for the printing of the Book of Mormon. $3,000. If it failed, he lost everything. And he did. He sold 151 acres of his farm to pay for the printing. His reputation suffered. His marriage was strained. He was mocked, ridiculed, and pitied by his neighbors. If Martin's motive was financial, if this was part of a con and he lost everything with nothing in return, this is where he exposes it and sues Joseph Smith and the Church for ruining him. No one sacrifices that kind of wealth and security for something they know is false if there is no gain for them. But even that wasn’t the end. When Joseph instructed the early members of the Church to gather to Ohio, Martin not only left his prosperous home and farm in Palmyra. In 1831 he donated $1,200 to help build Zion in Missouri. If you've already been scammed by something you know is a fraud and lost everything, you don't double down and do it again, especially when in this case there is not any potential for a return on investment. Martin did not hold high positions in the Church. He was not one of the apostles or in the First Presidency. If his goal was power or position, his sacrifices brought no return in that regard. If that had been his motive, he would have had every reason to feel betrayed by Joseph Smith after all he gave. Martin was a wise businessman and knew that Joseph was not. He let his pride overcome him, feeling that he knew better about financial matters than Joseph, and because of this, Martin left the Church when the Kirtland Safety Society collapsed in 1837. He had lost confidence in Joseph. He disagreed. He struggled. But he was still spiritually committed. Still convinced that the Book of Mormon was true and that he was called as a witness. He associated with other religious groups, trying to find where the truth was, but ended up dissatisfied with all of them. During the 1850s and 60s, he moved back to Kirtland where he became a caretaker for the Kirtland Temple. People would come to see it, and while not being affiliated with the Church, he would proudly share his witness of the Book of Mormon and his testimony that an angel had appeared to him, and related the thrilling sacred experiences that happened in the Temple in 1836. For decades, he lived outside the Church, but he never denied what he saw. Critics questioned him. Ministers challenged him. People tried to persuade him to recant. But he didn’t. Even when he lost everything. Even when he was poor. Even when he was outside the Church and far away in an area filled with those opposed to the Church. He kept saying the same thing. “I saw the angel.” “I saw the plates.” “I heard the voice of God.” Late in life, at nearly 90 years of age, he made the journey west to rejoin the saints. He was rebaptized and moved to Cache Valley. He spent the final four years of his life testifying over and over again to anyone who would listen. At the end of his life, he bore this final witness as his dying breath: “I did see the plates… I did see the angel; I did hear the voice of God.” If it was a fraud, why was Martin so steadfast in his testimony and so eager to share it, even after sacrificing so much without any worldly benefit?

@TigerBalladeer Here is another vid I just found that talks about the discovered grave of Ishmael at the place of Nahom detailed in the Book of Mormon. youtu.be/6Ge56dRvBoI?si…

@TigerBalladeer Archeological discoveries: youtu.be/QjBpwtXG7CM?si… "anachronisms" + more discoveries: youtu.be/85ND6TUDxVk?si… On the claim he made it up: youtu.be/CiOb_DJLf8Y?si… On the book of Abraham: youtu.be/wIKzqVMMP3c?si… On Galatians 1:8 accusations: youtu.be/VKzF3xkvCyI?si… I got more too

Here's how a conversation between a thoughtful Trinitarian and a thoughtful Latter-day Saint always goes: The Trinitarian brings up the Creeds. The Latter-day Saint says "I don't accept the Creeds as authoritative because they are unscriptural and unauthorized." The Trinitarian insists they are simply restatements of truths taught in scripture. This starts the back and forth from the Bible, mainly from the New Testament. The Trinitarian brings a verse saying, "I and my Father are one." The Latter-day Saint explains that "oneness" of the Godhead members doesn't necessarily imply a full Trinitarian consubstantiation. After all, Jesus also said husband and wife ought to be "one." And He prayed for His disciples to be one even as He and the Father are one. Surely that doesn't mean we all become consubstantial entities in the Trinity? Then the Trinitarian side talks about "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one." Then the Latter-day Saint responds with "Let us create man in our own image." Then the Trinitarian brings up "Philip, if you've seen me, you've seen the Father" and other verses. The Latter-day Saint then brings up verses about the express likeness: "this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ," the Gethsemane prayer—"not my will, but thine, be done," the baptism of Jesus, "why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God," "the Father is greater than I," and the idea that the Father knows the timing of the Second Coming but not the Son, etc. Then the Trinitarian responds with, "Well, He's carefully crafting His words for the people and it's the Person of the Son speaking, so in a sense it's true," and brings up "Before Abraham was, I AM," indicating Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament. And the Latter-day Saint says, "Yes, we believe that, too. But that doesn't mean He is the same as the Father." Also, what of the first, second, and third-century disciples—some of whom walked with Jesus Himself—who didn't hold a Trinitarian formulation? Were they not Christian? And they go round and round, pulling up the Greek and the Aramaic, and both come away at the end more sure of their own positions than that the other's is the correct understanding. At the end of the day, an honest neutral observer of this discussion knows one thing: the Trinitarian theory is not self-evident from the Bible alone. As the Harper Bible Dictionary itself states, "the formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the [New Testament]." There is ample room for an intelligent person to interpret the text either way, and neither is proven correct. The best a Trinitarian or Latter-day Saint can say about the Bible is "my position is evident to me." But through all this back and forth, the Latter-day Saint has been debating with one hand tied behind his back. Because although we love the Bible and accept it as the word of God, we are not reliant only on the Bible. We believe God has given additional clarification on the ambiguity of His inspired but imperfectly translated earlier words in the Holy Bible. God the Father and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith. And just as they appeared to the martyr Stephen, they appeared as two distinct Personages, with Jesus standing on the right hand of God. Then in the Book of Mormon and subsequent revelations, Jesus explicitly and directly set forth His nature, removing all ambiguity. And these truths are confirmed to us by personal revelation from God Himself. This is not a contradiction of the Bible, just a contradiction of the Creedalist understanding of the Bible. We respect our Catholic and Protestant brothers and sisters who read the Bible through a different lens and understand the verses differently than us. Even though their understanding is opposed to what we believe is substantiated in Holy Scripture, we recognize their efforts to follow the Savior to the best of their ability and wouldn't dare call them un-Christian for what we see as a mistaken view. And we respectfully ask others recognize the Bible is not self-evident on these matters and grant us the same grace we extend to them.

@TigerBalladeer All I can say to this is literally nuh uh. And you can't confidently make that claim having not read the book yourself yet. Please read it yourself. Its really good, and changed my life for the better in so many ways.

@NotAFeeish @ATrueMillennial You pay lip service to the New Testament but ultimately replace it with another text: it is no wild leap to conclude that this text goes beyond the NT and even (given the claim of the NT's corruption) flat-out contradicts the NT. You replace the NT with a merely human text.