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@OBEhizele

Lewisham born and bred| Writer| Bylines in @Telegraph @NewStatesman @unherd @spikedonline |Member of St Peter's Church, Brockley

London, England Katılım Mayıs 2011
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Zelex@OBEhizele·
First proper piece of my "Black Belonging" series. My legacy to the next generation. See following tweet for full piece.
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Zelex@OBEhizele·
@Albrochier Ah I see. Lack of genuineness (hidden agenda). I get this.
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@OBEhizele Do you know what? I can't quite put my finger on it. I don't just block people with opposing views, but there's something in his tone that really grates me. I also find his views to be inconsistent and slightly grifty. There's just something I don't trust.
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Zelex@OBEhizele·
@Mdvdndhbd That is fine. I think that is what the British populace broadly wants. They want the cultural differences to be reduced to aesthetics not fundamental differences in moral vision.
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Yo@Mdvdndhbd·
Even if the British Muslims became "secularised", the culture is unlikely to dissipate from south Asian culture when food and the south asian dresses still appeal to even liberalised "muslims".
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@Albrochier Indeed, it will most likely just be an importation of South Asian Islam that manifests in Britain. The most pragmatic outcome (as of now) is that those who practice Islam understand how to navigate this within the rules and ethics of Britain. This will require an assertive state.

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Zelex@OBEhizele·
@roseveniceallan This reflects a particular vision of the human person, where choice carries greater moral authority than dependent life.
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Venice Allan@roseveniceallan·
Nobody should be criminalised for doing something to their own body. Even in tragic circumstances when a woman is heavily pregnant, her body belongs to her, not her unborn baby or the state. Late term DIY abortions are traumatic and any woman choosing that needs help, not prison.
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James 𝕏ond@james_xond·
Does anyone who grew up before social media still remember their parents’ landline number??
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Zelex@OBEhizele·
@Albrochier This is the problem when the people don't understand their moral inheritance and history. The social philosophy is grounded in the laws of this country. Altering such isn't just a policy move but will shape moral imagination and sensibilities. Not something to be taken lightly.
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Zelex@OBEhizele·
RE: Islam in Britain The core of a religious tradition may be stable, but its social expression, emphasis, and texture are shaped by the civilisation that receives it. 🧵
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Zelex@OBEhizele·
@Albrochier Indeed, it will most likely just be an importation of South Asian Islam that manifests in Britain. The most pragmatic outcome (as of now) is that those who practice Islam understand how to navigate this within the rules and ethics of Britain. This will require an assertive state.
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@OBEhizele Issue is: Islam in Nigeria was Nigerians becoming Muslim, so the ability to "make it Nigerian" was more organic (even with reforms necessary) than the situation we have in Britain where we imported millions of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the space of a few decades.
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Zelex@OBEhizele·
The real question isn’t whether Islam can exist in Britain. It’s whether it can become "British". The complication is that it arrives post-colonially. So disentangling Islam from imported forms of civilisation isn't straightforward, especially into a society unsure of itself.
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Zelex@OBEhizele·
Whilst Fulani Islam was civilisationally shaped by reform and authority. Ethical expression tends towards clearer boundaries, strong emphasis on orthodoxy. The same religion, lived within different social worlds, produces different ethical instincts.
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Zelex@OBEhizele·
@TowerofAdam1 I think the key to turning this discourse is emphasizing human flourishing as the primary aim of civilisation (and that requires relationality).
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Alexander D’Albini@TowerofAdam1·
Modern liberalism sees freedom as escape, while the ancient perspective is fulfilment. When we fulfil our function, we feel most free. Freedom without consequence causes breakdown of categories, and ultimately ends in dismantling of societal boundaries and chaos. Morals create the framework of taboos which keep society together. But, if these taboos are based around ‘freedom without consequence’, then the framework will more quickly collapse. Modern liberalism has morals, but they create taboos which are not best for human flourishing, even within an evolutionary lens.
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Zelex@OBEhizele·
The debate is too often framed as liberalism versus authoritarianism, as though the only question is how much freedom we permit. But that is a false dichotomy. The real issue is not simply whether people are free, but whether they are formed to use that freedom well.
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Zelex@OBEhizele·
Liberalism fears authoritarianism and rightly so. But if flourishing is the goal, then lack of formation is just as dangerous.
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Zelex@OBEhizele·
@KeithMa95432918 If these adults are not formed. Then destructive choices follow from that freedom. I don't think you can separate moral formation from liberalism (procedural). It was an assumed pre-condition. Late modern liberalism has tried to ignore that and it's been disastrous.
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Keith Macdonald@KeithMa95432918·
@OBEhizele The alternative to liberalism is tyranny,almost certainly of wealth. If we want to know what that will be like look at Trump or Farage.
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Zelex@OBEhizele·
If liberalism requires that we treat individuals as fully formed choosers while neglecting the conditions that form them, then I cannot in good conscience support it. Simple.
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Zelex@OBEhizele·
@Dr_W_E_Bulmer Indeed. That is the only form of liberalism that proponents today are offering.
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Both sides of the Tweed@Dr_W_E_Bulmer·
@OBEhizele I think that is a distillation or reduction of a certain type of Hobbs-to-Hayek philosophical liberalism that has been very convenient for neoliberal economists, but it isn't the whole or the best of liberalism.
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