OverUnderfolder
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You absolutely can prove negatives. Here's a rule of inference for doing just that:
(1) If p, then q.
(2) ~q
C. Therefore ~p.
Thoughtful-Faith@ThoughtfulSaint
@blatant_sock You can’t prove a negative. You can only disprove it by providing evidence. If the claim is: “The evidence presented so far is insufficient,” then the other person is the one who must provide sufficient evidence to overturn that assessment.
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@olyonps the easiest rational argument is all life requires the destruction of other life, and we shouldn't hold animals
above plants, they are both life
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Actually embarassing how anti-vegans have been looking for a rational argument for decades and they still haven't found one
Saf 🦸@muzziemulti
white people love animals rights over human rights because animals are perfect victims
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@OUnderfolder Incorrect. It also happens if you are prevented from using your bodily autonomy to choose abortion if you do not want to be pregnant.
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@StefanMolyneux knowing what will happen doesn't mean that free will doesn't exist.
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If God knows everything past, present and future, He is all-knowing.
If God knows the future, He cannot change it, therefore He is not all-powerful.
If God knows the future, we do not have free will.
We cannot be punished for our choices if they are not in fact choices.
GIF
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@marxseventh @PatrickC1995 that's the whole stock dividend thing. pretty easy
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@marxseventh @PatrickC1995 you have your opinion. that's fine. the path is pretty clear. A machine creates value. That value should be granted to the machine. Since the machine doesn't exist as an entity, the owner of that machine gets the value generated
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If workers expect to be paid more when their company makes a profit, are they willing to be paid less when the company takes a loss?
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@marxseventh @PatrickC1995 I didn't say that that is what happens.
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@OUnderfolder @PatrickC1995 Oh my god, another person thinking that if I buy a share of apple on the stock market, it goes to Apple. It’s really quite astonishing how ignorant the cheerleaders of capitalism are about the basics of capitalism. The confidence is the amazing thing!
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@marxseventh @PatrickC1995 yeah, you don't see how this works. I got it now.
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@OUnderfolder @PatrickC1995 Not to apple it didn't.
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@marxseventh @PatrickC1995 The money you provided provided value in some way. You just don't seem to be able to perceive that.
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@OUnderfolder @PatrickC1995 It's not about "perceiving." If I buy a share of apple and they pay me a dividend, I promise you I did fuck all to help create that value.
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@sentinel_actual @esjesjesj Also, Christianity is literally the most popular religion, with no evidence. They aren't persecuted, despite Christian victim fetishes.
Religion and gender are Social constructs. Humanity isn't always about being maximally accurate.
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Even if this were true which is isn’t, why wouldn’t you just do what they’re asking considering it doesn’t hurt you at all
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@marxseventh @PatrickC1995 i think you are missing what contributes value, and how that value gets distributed to others you perceive aren't working.
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@OrevaZSN loss of people are not in dire straits constantly, why are they not doing amazing things?
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@marxseventh @PatrickC1995 how are you determine the value of their labor? is it just your opinion?
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@OUnderfolder @PatrickC1995 LOL "objective measure." I'm having a conversation here with another person about how value is subjective and here you are telling me it's objective. You people are all over the place.
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@marxseventh @PatrickC1995 ok. so this is just your opinion of how revenue should be shared, it's not tied to any objective measure. got it.
Just your opinion, then ok, no point in continuing on.
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@OUnderfolder @PatrickC1995 (Slightly more broadly, it's about how we want to organize the continuance of the species. It's not exactly about the treatment of humans per se, but rather what is the best way to organize society for our survival and happiness.)
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@marxseventh @PatrickC1995 fairness would be that the element that generates the value is given that value.
Why is it fair that the worker get access to value they didn't create?
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@OUnderfolder @PatrickC1995 We are talking about human relations. We are talking about society and survival and morality, ethics, fairness, and even efficiency.
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@pinkheretic that only happens if the pregnant woman was raped
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@OUnderfolder It is if someone is forcing you to be pregnant against your will.
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