@agnidas31 @art_foot Players can score from errors leading to goal without being able to create a chance.. vini first goal last match wasn’t a chance creation.. so I’m asking you again who wins the match?
Just a simple question
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Messi Cr debates cover only goals and assists, as Cr fans see goals as only important part of football.
Yet scoring is just a part of goal producing, as a goal production already starts in defense.
The debate cuts 70% of goal creation, cause Cr only contributes in last 30%. 🤷♂️
BiGJ@BIG_J_009
Cristiano Ronaldo being called the greatest goalscorer in football history is a claim that deserves far more scrutiny. Ronaldo has 975 goals and 261 assists in 1,320+ games. That's 1,236 direct goal contributions. Messi has 916 goals and 414 assists in 1,156 games. That's 1,330 direct goal contributions. Despite playing over 160 fewer matches, Messi has been directly involved in 94 more goals. The gap becomes even bigger when you look at efficiency. Ronaldo averages about 0.94 goal contributions per game. Messi averages about 1.15. In other words, for every 100 matches played, Messi contributes to roughly 21 more goals than Ronaldo. So what exactly is the argument? That scoring the final touch should count, but creating the goal shouldn't? Because if the purpose of an attacker is to produce goals for his team, the numbers suggest Messi has done it more often, more efficiently, and in fewer games.
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@Im_Kenny_A @FabrizioRomano If they get rid of Ronaldo, they actually have a much better chance at winning the cup.
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🚨 OFFICIAL: NO Portugal vs Argentina in World Cup quarter finals. ❌🌎
The only chance for Ronaldo vs Messi will be in the final, New York. 🗽
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@Footballharam That lack of intensity will be their doom.. the could have easily lost 5-0 today
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DIOGO COSTA and RENATO VIEGA keeping Portugal in the game.
I doubt Portugal now. A display like this against Colombia shows they can’t go far. Too weak. Zero Intensity. Zero aggression.
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At 40 Ronaldo should be retired, he's finished like Caitlyn Clark & Kevin De Bruyne
Colombia Ruben Neves Pedro Neto Jordan vs Argentina Kobbie Mainoo James Rodriguez Diogo Costa Arias Skel
Petar Sučić #COLPOR #PANENG
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🅂🄷🄴🄳🄳🅈🍁@ShadrachOladele
🚨 𝗙𝗔𝗖𝗧: Lionel Messi will be benched for a World Cup match the first time in 20 years.
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@Ogaheskey @Sports_Doctor2 The change for joao neves I expected conceicao to come on
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Just wondering, does it mean Portugal doesn't have an alternative winger to Pedro Neto 🤔🤔🤔
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@TheFutbolZoneX Why do you guys talk like ass like this..
If you think Ronaldo is chasing Messi numbers.. you think he lost the ability to come back and pass for teammates to score?
He created 22 chances this season made 4 assist this is someone that camps in the box..you think he can’t do more
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🚨Jamie Carragher Slams Ronaldo's Obsession With Messi
🗣️: "The biggest difference between Messi and Ronaldo isn't talent, it's mentality. Argentina have already qualified, and Messi is happy to sit on the bench against Jordan because his priority is staying fresh for the knockout rounds. That's the mindset of someone who trusts his legacy and wants to win another World Cup.
Then you look at Ronaldo. If Portugal have a group-stage game left, you already know he'll want to start. Why? Because every minute is another chance to score, and every goal is another opportunity to edge closer to Messi's numbers. It's almost like he's playing two tournaments at once: one against the opposition and another against Messi's statistics.
Messi has never looked like someone chasing records. The records chase him because he's focused on winning football matches. Ronaldo, on the other hand, has built an obsession with numbers, and when Messi rests, he probably sees it as an invitation to narrow the gap.
That's the fundamental difference between the two. One protects himself for the trophies that matter; the other can't resist adding another goal to the tally whenever the opportunity presents itself. Greatness is measured in many ways, but being consumed by another player's numbers isn't one of them."
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Ronaldo fans mahn
They purposely didn't put who scored more and exchanged it for goal ratio.
That aside, this is why i dislike the comparison. It does disservice to who Messi truly is cus they compare him based on goals.
Ronaldo is lucky to be compared with Messi
Wizzy Ono 🇳🇬🇳🇬🇵🇹@WizzyOno
The time Messi and Ronaldo spent together in Laliga…. No wonder Messi fans never talk about this…
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@uncannyshoes @JattAlwaysRight @lightfinisher Their definition of ass is that a player must come and create and then score.. ask them why they rate zidane?
They’ll say he’s silky what else does he have nothing.. dinho ask them they’ll say he dazzles. What else? Nothing but with Ronaldo he must have everything 😂😂
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@JattAlwaysRight @lightfinisher - 101 goals in 130 games for Juventus, one of the best gpg ratios in Serie A history.
- 2 trophies for Portugal, contributing with 9 goals.
- 3rd top goalscorer at 37 in the Premier League.
These are just some of his longevity achievements.
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It’s always resilience and longevity for Ronaldo and never for Messi.
One player reduced himself to be a poacher. Dfkm 💀
The Touchmine | 𝐓@TouchmineX
🚨𝗧𝗥𝗨𝗧𝗛 𝗕𝗢𝗠𝗕: - Ronaldo lost the Euro 2004 final at just 19. 🇵🇹 - He lost the 2006 World Cup semi-final. - In the 2010 World Cup Round of 16 against eventual champions Spain, with the score at 0-0, he chipped Casillas, but Nani touched the ball before it crossed the line. - Portugal failed to get out of the group stage at the 2014 World Cup. - He never announced his retirement from the national team after those setbacks. - In 2016, while Messi announced his international retirement, Ronaldo won Euro 2016. 🇦🇷 - Then came Qatar 2022, which many believe was a tournament where football "owed" Messi a World Cup, while Ronaldo faced heavy criticism. - Even then, Ronaldo didn't quit. - At 40, he won the Nations League final against Spain. - The Messi vs Ronaldo debate will always divide opinions, but Ronaldo's resilience, longevity, and Champions League legacy are why many consider him the GOAT.
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@_Olajide_1 @KingPhelz If them paste am for you go go still comot spot for mouth Dey talk anyhow
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@NmesomaI19807 @samson_samsen They can’t.. Messi is your goat. Focus on praising him but no.. they must always talk about Ronaldo
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I watched Messi play football.
For that reason alone, I will never see "exceptional" in anything Cristiano Ronaldo has done. I don't care to.
Messi is the standard. Maybe not your standard, but he is mine. And by that standard, what the other guy has done simply doesn't cut it.
I'm not undermining his career. I'm putting it into the context of other greats.
Goals? Pele scored over a thousand.
Longevity? Messi is 39 and still in the eyes of any sane person a better footballer than the 39-year-old version of Ronaldo.
I'm not acknowledging a "greatness" that exists only because people are obsessed with comparison. Remove comparison, and there is only one greatness to be acknowledge in football: Lionel'
And if we must consider others, there are better names to consider before Cristiano: Zidane, Pele, Maradona, real Ronaldo, Cruyff.
Each of those men possessed something so singular that you struggle to find it in more than one or two players, dead or alive.
You cannot say the same for Cristiano Ronaldo. So what about him is exceptional to acknowledge?
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@samson_samsen I think you're deliberately downplaying one crucial factor that has kept Ronaldo in the GOAT conversation and on the podium for over a decade, and that is his extraordinary consistency.I agree he may not be the most technically gifted player, but he isn't far off either.
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@samson_samsen There's literally nothing exceptional about camping in the opponent's 18 yardbox waiting for a tap-in.
To hell with their reasons and excuses
He used Perez's influence to pile up BD'Ors nothing less.
Since leaving Madrid he hasn't made any impact whatsoever in the award list.🤷🏼
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@FootballviralHQ The hypocrisy in this your video stinks mate..
He was asked About Messi in that interview twice already.. like is the match about Messi?
Then the third question was still about Messi and he got angry that why always Messi mbappe also scored why are you asking about only him
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Lee Gunner reacts to Christiano Ronaldo telling media “Mbappe Also Scored”
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@FrankFrank50833 @DaLaLiLuLeLo @akrxm94 @Kashe1dz And I don’t think anyone disputes that..
But why will they have to lie about Cr to prove their Goat is their goat
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Why do have to pretend Ronaldo was anywhere near this
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Like dawg look at how this man was moving when he was young, super fake😭
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@ch_erem @thisgandy @samson_samsen Top 5 greatest players I watched aside pele and Maradona.
. Lionel Messi
. Ronaldo Nazário
.Ronaldinho
. Zinedine Zidane
. Eden Hazard
Even my top 10 Cristiano Ronaldo still not on the list. Maybe top 25 you could find him.
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This is Cristiano on his very best day.
You watch him then. You watch him now. And you cannot escape the conclusion that there is literally nothing he has done in football that, on ability alone, warrants him a place in the GOAT conversation.
He is not the most technical player football has seen. There is no attribute of his that football had not already seen in five or ten players before him. There is nothing he can do that someone, somewhere in the present or in history, has not done. Nothing.
Cristiano Ronaldo is, more than anything else, a manifestation of privilege: the historical weight of sharing the name "Ronaldo," the institutional influence of Real Madrid, and, above all, playing in a generation with a high concentration of philistines and dimwits who manufactured the Messi vs. Ronaldo debate and, in doing so, made Cristiano appear greater than he actually is.
Take away those privileges, and what remains is simply another very good footballer.
ChocoTribe 🇦🇷@Debbybruno3
Based on World Cup legacy, who should stand up for Messi?
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Just take a look at these records… and people still think Ronaldo belongs in the same conversation as Messi. 😭🐐
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@SolomonKin67611 @akrxm94 @Kashe1dz You Messi fans really think football dribbling is one style as long as the context Favours you it’s chill.. Messi was literally running too and with less speed because he doesn’t have same speed as CR but go on
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@Fcb_capalot @ayo_solace @akrxm94 @Kashe1dz Yes I do he’s not even in the top 10 player with completed dribbles.
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@Kenebechi1 @AttorneyF_ @chi_kelu31 How does his response counter the initial post that the poster made?
Messi fans 🤦♂️
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@AttorneyF_ @chi_kelu31 Who's being dismissive now, in the face of facts, not speculations that was filled in your initial write up. Thing is, it's actually intellectual failure to actually watch both players and choose the guy tenting in the box over the one who controls the game.
Deal with it
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This right here was the turning point in the GOAT debate, and it perfectly sums up the Ronaldo vs. Messi dynamic.
There is a fundamental asymmetry in how both sides operate. Ronaldo fans are generally content with their preference; they back their man and leave it at its that. But engaging with the typical Messi fan feels entirely different, there is a distinct, missionary smugness to it.
To them, supporting Ronaldo isn't just a differing opinion; it’s treated as an intellectual failure, a literal scandal. Their arrogance doesn't stop at mere preference; it’s a collective superiority complex that actively seeks to manufacture a narrative and enforce it as absolute truth.
That’s why the narrative surrounding the 2022 World Cup felt so hollow. The overwhelming sentiment, even from the footballing hierarchy, was that Messi "deserved" a World Cup. But nobody deserves anything in sports, especially when what previously held you back wasn't injury, but your own failure on the pitch.
Once the sport decided a player "deserved" a specific outcome, the integrity of the game took a backseat. It all stems from the immense pity his brief, calculated retirement garnered. That moment sent alarm bells ringing across the Messi fanbase, triggering a frantic need to secure his legacy. Coupled with the existing condescending, righteous rage of a fanbase that believes their icon is untouchable, it completely altered the dynamic; transforming them from sports fans into political or religious zealots enforcing a dogma.
Thankfully people are waking up to it. 🙏🏾
The Touchline | 𝐓@TouchlineX
🇦🇷💔 𝗢𝗡 𝗧𝗛𝗜𝗦 𝗗𝗔𝗬 𝟭𝟬 𝗬𝗘𝗔𝗥𝗦 𝗔𝗚𝗢: Lionel Messi announced his retirement from the National Team: "I tried my hardest. It's been four finals, and I wasn't able to win. I tried everything possible. It hurts me more than anyone, but it's clear that this isn't for me. I wanted to win a title with the national team more than anyone, but unfortunately it didn't happen."
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