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„Und es gießt in Strömen auf die liebenswürdigen blassbraunen Altbauten, wie als wollte Gott dass wir absaufen“ 🏴‍☠️🚩

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Ich wette, in Europa laufen gerade zwischen den Staats-und Regierungschefs die Telefon-Drähte heiß! — Alexander Stubb (🇫🇮) & Rutte (NATO) werden beauftragt die Kohlen aus dem Feuer🔥 zu holen, weil Starmer, Merz & Macron nicht wissen, wann man öffentlich besser die Schnauze hält!
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@RArnsburg > Wahl mal wieder verlieren > “Wir müssen jetzt aufwachen” “Wir müssen uns auf unsere Werte zurückbesinnen” “Wir müssen wieder Politik für die einfachen Menschen machen” > Neoliberale CDU Politik kopieren > repeat
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@fieldatsunset @GroovySciFi Yes. Leaving NATO alone so they can withdraw. So everywhere where NATO was they would have stopped (likely). Everywhere else not. We can thank Pompeo and Trump for this masterclass art of deal making + domestic US politics once again taking parts of the world hostage
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@P010110 @GroovySciFi Again: what deal? There never was a deal that said they had to stop attacking the Afghan government. They were absolutely forced by practical reasons because they had to prevent a power vacuum once the Afghan government had fallen.
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@fieldatsunset @GroovySciFi So the joint programs and bases mainly in the urban centres would have barred risks to torpedo their victory-deal. They likely would have focused on villages and only-Afghan bases to finish their job after the withdrawal.
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@fieldatsunset @GroovySciFi Yes and No. The deal was solely between NATO and Taliban with one part asking the Taliban to negotiate with the afghan goverment. The deal however required the Taliban to cease operations against NATO staff and installations.
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@fieldatsunset @GroovySciFi They waited for 20 years. They proclaimed their victory and stick to the deal until the mid-April announcement (yea obviously they would have abandoned it once NATO withdrew). They weren’t forced by narrative or practical reasons to rush anything.
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@fieldatsunset @GroovySciFi May was unrealistic by design of Trump because domestic US politics, I know. Waiting until April to change the deadline publicly was dumb. Choosing 9/11 as new deadline was dumber Because they could have waited while continuing to claim victory without breaking the deal first
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@fieldatsunset @GroovySciFi My argument is that the provocative 9/11 deadline was dumb and that the withdrawal could have started earlier while the Taliban stick to raiding villages saving their face while NATO can orderly withdraw from the urban centres. Kabul collapses in any scenario.
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nothinginbio@fieldatsunset·
@P010110 @GroovySciFi If anything, this works against your argument that the Taliban would have waited with their final offensive until the US withdrawal was complete, because then even more so they could not have allowed the Afghan government to exist.
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@fieldatsunset @GroovySciFi Maybe. I think it’s more likely that they would have positioned themselves outside the urban centres and waited till the withdrawal is complete. Thus allowing a more orderly withdrawal in which NATO saves some face and Taliban can proclaim themselves as well afterwards.
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nothinginbio@fieldatsunset·
@P010110 @GroovySciFi Who said anything about escalating against the NATO? Not a single NATO soldier was attacked by the Taliban during the withdrawal in August when they moved on Kabul, the same thing would have happened in May. They would have rolled over the Afghan troops and let the NATO escape.
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@fieldatsunset @GroovySciFi Yea I know. My point was that they declared victory soon after the deal was signed and before anything materialised on the ground, which also trapped them in their own domestic narrative.
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@fieldatsunset @GroovySciFi There is no reason either for them to escalate against NATO when NATO is already withdrawing and agreed on terms which favour them. The collapse and Jihad would have been delayed by some weeks and then it all collapses 1:1 like it did anyway. They waited 20 years for it.
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nothinginbio@fieldatsunset·
@P010110 @GroovySciFi There is no reason to think the Taliban would have not continued on to Kabul if the US had completed the withdrawal in May, it would have been nonsensical. And of course, the deadline was extended bc the military requested it, not bc Biden inexplicably wanted that.
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@fieldatsunset @GroovySciFi Correct. The deal required them to stand down only regarding places where NATO is present during withdrawal like Kabul, places entirely controlled by Afghan military wasnt in the deal. Like it or not but that’s on Trump and the Taliban for signing it this way.
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nothinginbio@fieldatsunset·
@P010110 @GroovySciFi The Taliban had been moving ever since the withdrawal agreement had been signed in February 2020. By mid-2020 they were killing hundreds of Afghan soldiers per week, and there never was a deal that required them to stop. voanews.com/a/usa_afghan-s…
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@fieldatsunset @GroovySciFi To not force the Taliban publicly to respond. Biden in mid-April - not after the inauguration announced the new timeline starting from Trumps deadline. The Taliban from their perspective had few options to save face except “breaking” their part of deal as well and start moving
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nothinginbio@fieldatsunset·
@P010110 @GroovySciFi 1. That does not answer the question and Biden almost certainly inofficially informed the Taliban of the delay anyway. Why would Biden have kept the deadline if it was a trap set by Trump?
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@fieldatsunset @GroovySciFi 2. Because they already declared victory and to stand down since the deal which had 1st May as (unrealistic) last day and weeks of delays wouldn’t contradict this narrative as much as changing the entire timeline publicly from the deadline to 9/11 anniversary.
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@P010110 @GroovySciFi 1. How could a tighter deadline have improved the organization of the withdrawal? 2. Why in the world would the Taliban have waited at all, let alone if Biden had notified them of the delay just days before the US was supposed to leave? This makes negative sense
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