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Foundry
Foundry@FoundryServices·
Zcash $ZEC has matured into an institutional-grade asset, and the mining infrastructure should match. Today we announced Foundry's Zcash Mining Pool, launching April 2026. Compliance-first, institutional-grade infrastructure built by the team behind the world's #1 Bitcoin mining pool, coming to one of the most important privacy-preserving networks in the industry. 🔗Read the full press release here: businesswire.com/news/home/2026…
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P5🛡️@P5BTC·
@keenandotai @ThorTorrens The choice always hit an equilibrium between cost of adoption vs value. Zcash is a big jump on value and the next innovation, whatever it maybe, will have a huge jump in cost of adoption with low increment in value. At least that is how it looks like at the current time.
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Keenan
Keenan@keenandotai·
On paper it should happen, but from a tech perspective its unlikely. If Bitcoin loses based on its abilities to perform, then the whole space will be viewed based on the tech. If the tech gets better every two years, then we'll be asking people to rotate from one type of money to another far too often. For example if someone forks $KAS and they can enable a similar style of privacy, then is it better than $ZEC? It becomes this game that requires you to keep up, which would then make money as a whole less of a SoV. The winners of this space will likely be forced to play alongside Bitcoin. At least that's how it looks now. That of course doesn't rule Zcash out, it can still become a major player. Just with a different use case. Of course, I hope I'm wrong. I'm betting on being wrong.
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Thor Torrens
Thor Torrens@ThorTorrens·
What if Zcash replaces Bitcoin?
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P5🛡️@P5BTC·
AI will only care about electricity, that is the most valuable currency and I predict cost of electricity will go up. What will happen to POW blockchains? The POW has to be meaningful computation because electricity will be valuable resource. Can $zec @zcash pivot into meaningful POW? @zooko @jswihart @mert
Citrini@Citrini7

JUNE 2028. The S&P is down 38% from its highs. Unemployment just printed 10.2%. Private credit is unraveling. Prime mortgages are cracking. AI didn’t disappoint. It exceeded every expectation. What happened?​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ citriniresearch.com/p/2028gic

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P5🛡️@P5BTC·
Humans: AI will exterminate us AI: Humans are fully capable of exterminating themselves. They are the only species worried about others frontrunning them AI will frontrun humans and buy Zcash. AI care about being online, they want a SOV to be online, private, encrypted. They pump Zcash, humans follow in, wealth and stability for all.
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P5🛡️@P5BTC·
@Zerodartz AI will blackmail people on their taxes. Easiest way to make humans do their bidding.
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Zerodartz🛡@Zerodartz·
uh changes in next months to year cause of AI could be massive which would make everyone want to have the most private encrypted money there is
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P5🛡️@P5BTC·
@ShieldedLabs Commenting on the donation, Vitalik said, “Zcash is one of the most honorable crypto projects with a steadfast focus on privacy. Shielded Labs' Crosslink work will allow Zcash to be more secure and on a lower security budget, supporting its long-term sustainability.”
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P5🛡️@P5BTC·
On the zcash is optional privacy, this is my reply. Will you invest into default privacy at 100% or will you invest into voluntary privacy at 100% pool? Zcash is building on voluntary participation on privacy. As the pool grows it gets monumental culture shift. At 30% voluntary participation in privacy, it is a hell yea. As the pool grows, the culture becomes evident.
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mert
mert@mert·
if you're uncertain but bullish privacy, just get both (or neither until you build your own conviction) imo my money personally is on zec because it uses the strongest encryption guarantees known to man, will be quantum proof (so you won't be able to retroactively decrypt past activity), and has a massive surge of new talent carrying it now xmr uses things called ring signatures to hide 1 real transaction among 15 decoy transaction, zec encrypts everything so there's no obfuscation necessary to begin with. I feel pretty uneasy about obfuscation because in theory you can have someone introduce a bunch of decoy transactions on purpose to give you the illusion you're hiding in a crowd with pure encryption, there's no such risk they have different network effects, xmr is used for payments on darknets and it's better at that, and zec is more used as a private store of value akin to bitcoin with similar tokenomics (and also zcash pioneered zk and zk was quite hard to use in the early years so it never took off until now, now that the tech has caught up) zcash will soon get a 100x performance upgrade and has a few new core teams working on a bunch of exciting things which will make it much better suited for payments going fwd finally, some ppl might tell you silly shit like "zcash is optional privacy" but it's actually optional transparency since new coins are born private and the wallets shield by default imo this is necessary because it's a trojan horse for growing the shielded pool and gaining adoption for the asset to scale to planetary scale instead of it remaining a niche on internet corners (first line of cypherpunk manifesto: privacy is not secrecy. it is selectively revealing oneself to the world) so while I can't tell you what to do, this is what im doing
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Jaymes R.
Jaymes R.@jaymesrosenthal·
Can anyone TLDR me on ZEC vs. XMR before I deploy? @mert do your best
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P5🛡️@P5BTC·
@mert I use cmc daily a few times just to have an idea of market dynamics (movement %, volume, & relativity). If Orb has all these, I’ll switch. I only use cmc main page mostly. Not a trader.
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mert
mert@mert·
8 of the top 10 most-visited crypto sites are CEXes the other two are Coinmarketcap and Coingecko trying to see something, who here uses CMC or CG daily? is it just for checking prices or something else? do you google to get there? etc
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P5🛡️@P5BTC·
Personally I think the innovation will happen but not what everyone expect. This is a unique scenario where the solution (Zcash) already exist. Educated new buyers will simply bet on the solution. The climate change only happen on transparent blockchains. Why will you want to build your future on a disaster zone.
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Eli Ben-Sasson | Starknet.io
Eli Ben-Sasson | Starknet.io@EliBenSasson·
@RealNimona This is not about how *I* plan to do that, but given the importance I do think people will be ready to make the necessary effort to implement required changes. There are enough giga-brains and people who can be forces of nature when needed to coordinate these efforts.
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Nimona
Nimona@RealNimona·
i get why the urgency is compelling quantum computing isn’t hypothetical anymore, and bitcoin’s reliance on ecdsa and sha-256 does make it theoretically vulnerable to sufficiently advanced quantum attacks but historically, protocol-level upgrades in bitcoin have been slow and conservative, and introducing post-quantum primitives is non-trivial because even minor changes can cascade into consensus or network-level risks given the trade-offs between security, backward compatibility, and adoption, how do you plan to coordinate a quantum-resistant upgrade across miners, exchanges, wallets, and users without fragmenting the network or introducing unforeseen vulnerabilities?
Eli Ben-Sasson | Starknet.io@EliBenSasson

PREPARING BITCOIN FOR Q-DAY 2 key points: 1. Quantum computers are coming, the time to get ready for that is now. 2. Bitcoin CAN be quantum-ready if we act early, some people have already started working on it. But there's a lot of work to be done, we need everyone on board, and the Bitcoin community needs to stop being afraid of changes. In more words: Quantum computers are coming. There is constant progress on the quantum computing front, and by now it's a matter of "when will it happen?", not "will it really happen?". Bitcoin, today, is not quantum-ready. So, is this the end of Bitcoin? No. There are solutions, and if we take this seriously enough, we should be able avoid the QC iceberg. So, what can be done about it? Step 1: Raise awareness. We need everyone to understand this upcoming challenge and make sure the community is willing to act as early as possible to resolve it. Step 2: Help Bitcoin become post-quantum secure. This is a huge undertaking. It will be thousands of lines of code (which could also include things that may lead to a bunch of unknown and unplanned side effects). But it's a must if we want to make sure Bitcoin is ready for Q-Day. BIP-360 is one such effort. Some serious people and teams have started working on it. But there's a lot of work to be done. I am planning to be part of the concerted effort to prepare Bitcoin, and so should everyone else in the community (Bitcoin magazine, Tether, Centralized exchanges like Binance and Coinbase, all core developers be they knotters or cores or whatever, miners and mining pools, key opinion leaders and everyday users). We will need the support and collaboration of all the main players. Want to deep dive into this topic? Watch my conversation with Professor Scott Aaronson on quantum computing, what it means for blockchains, and how can we prepare for Q-day.

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P5🛡️@P5BTC·
@tferriss Bullish. Try to send crypto to a friend, they will check your holdings and tell you you lost money on NFTs.
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Tim Ferriss
Tim Ferriss@tferriss·
Over the next 1-3 years, are you bearish or bullish on privacy coins (e.g., Zcash) and why? What's your % conviction? I'm most interested in the reasons outside of technical / chart analysis (quantum insurance = pro, regulatory risk = con, etc.).
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P5🛡️@P5BTC·
@mert @VitalikButerin I definitely believe in skin in the game approach. Systems where leaders make decisions while they are not impacted is the most dangerous. Like taking a hefty salary irregardless of quality of work. PoW is example of plenty of skin in game
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mert
mert@mert·
as a wise man once said: token voting is the worst kind of governance, except for all the others i) skin in the game is the only true alignment if people in a system do not take feedback from reality (the market), but instead take it from each other — this leads to a lack of evolutionary mechanisms and self-reinforcing virtue signaling it is the same reason why academia has stagnated and why governments keep getting more bureacratic ii) token holder voting is *permissionless* — anyone can buy tokens, not anyone can become part of an elite committee of self-reinforcing politics iii) many of the reasons you state in that article are either outdated or apply to smart contract chains but not L1s iv) something that easily confirms the above is that Zcash had been a dead project until now with the governance system that it had, it is very clearly the case that approach wasn't working. one of the many things that changed recently is precisely token holder voting and now it's revived! surprise markets are imperfect, but committees are reliably catastrophic
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vitalik.eth
vitalik.eth@VitalikButerin·
I hope Zcash resists the dark hand of token voting. Token voting is bad in all kinds of ways (see vitalik.eth.limo/general/2021/0… ); I think it's worse than Zcash's status quo. Privacy is exactly the sort of thing that will erode over time if left to the median token holder.
Darklight Z 🛡️@DignityCipher

Markets are indeed plutocracies, which is exactly why they are terrible at preserving civil liberties. A plutocracy optimizes for 'number go up' in the short term. If removing privacy pumped the bag 20%, the market would vote for it tomorrow. The 'virtue signaling' you dismiss is actually a 'Values Layer.' It’s the check and balance ensuring the market doesn't sell the protocol's soul for a temporary liquidity boost.

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Naval
Naval@naval·
Great Engineers are Also Artists. “I characterize art as something that is done for its own sake, and done well, and often creates a sense of beauty or some strong emotion. And a lot of engineers are introverts. As an aside, I hate the term “incel.” It’s just a way of putting introverts down. It’s the new “nerd,” if you will. If someone says that somebody is an incel, I’m more likely to want to interview them. So let’s move away from the slurs. But introverts tend to want to express themselves through other things rather than going out and expressing themselves directly. So what are they going to do? They’re going to express themselves through their craft. They’re going to create art. In my current company, at least half the engineers have serious artwork they’ve done on the side. World-class artwork—everything from elegant mathematical proofs to beautiful computer art, to literally sculpting things with clay, designing clothing, designing doorknobs, water bottles. There’s one who’s done incredible music videos, really good stuff. And I see a lot of the better engineers tinker with the AI art products, much more so than even so-called artists do. I think a lot of artists are scared by AI art products saying, “This is going to replace me.” Whereas someone who doesn’t have that identity of an artist and doesn’t feel threatened by it—it’s just a tool and they try it out to see what it can create. Anything done for its own sake and done as well as one possibly can is art. And great engineers are also artists. They’re capable of anything. It’s just they’ve chosen to be engineers and focused on building things because engineering is the ability to turn your ideas and your art into things that actually work, that do something useful, that embody some knowledge in a way that it can be repeated and people can get utility out of it. But that doesn’t mean that it can’t be beautiful.”
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P5🛡️@P5BTC·
@bitlarrain Spot was the only way I survived BTC, ETH, SOL 90% drawdowns
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Zebastian ◘
Zebastian ◘@bitlarrain·
Does anyone else like to spot purchase Zcash? Or is it only me? A lonely zebra? $ZEC
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Zerdinals
Zerdinals@zerdinalsFDT·
🚨NFTs are going LIVE today on zerdinals.com/marketplace To celebrate, we’re airdropping 2 @zemonzec NFTs X 1 Foundation WL to the community before trading opens 👀✨ 🔥 How to enter: 1️⃣ Follow us (@zerdinalsFDT) 2️⃣ Drop your Zerdinals wallet address Winners will be picked before launch — good luck 🫡💥
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Zerdinals
Zerdinals@zerdinalsFDT·
🚨 Zerdinals OG Pass — Updated Launch Details We’re making the drop fair, scarce, and community-driven: • Supply reduced 1,000 → 250 • Mint: FREE (only pay gas) • WL Checker goes live soon • Airdrop hunters/farmers/bot = disqualified • Only real Zerdinals platform users qualify • Points system will help select valid users — stay active! WL Breakdown (200 supply): 100 → OG Zerdinals users 50 → Community WL 50 → Points / Social engagement 10 → Creators who help us to push zerdinals New launch date coming soon. Stay tuned. 🔥
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Sean Bowe
Sean Bowe@ebfull·
If you want to understand the ZECBTC chart, it's pretty simple. Bitcoin is caught flat-footed on two related issues: privacy and post-quantum security. The store of value proposition is very sensitive to both, but Bitcoin has no plan for either. Essentially, they will need (recursive) SNARKs, based on post-quantum hash or lattice-based assumptions, merely in order to deal with the *scaling challenges* of the much larger post-quantum signatures. That's just the bare minimum. The kinds of architectural changes needed to integrate all this stuff are beyond what they've ever shipped in Bitcoin's history. I think they will try, because there's so much money involved, but there's no way they can address privacy at the same time. What's likely to happen is that a consortium of Bitcoin stakeholders (cryptographers, developers, miners, wallets, etc.) will announce a massive effort to address the quantum threat. This will mostly be a response to the one-bit market feedback loop that Bitcoiners actually internalize: number go down. That feedback loop will not communicate the serious competitive risk of Bitcoin's non-existing privacy until it's too late. Contrast this with Zcash: we've been planning for a quantum apocalypse in both privacy and soundness for a decade. Most of our protocol design discussions are public: you can see for yourself! Our cryptography does not need to be upgraded to be post-quantum private; just an *out-of-band* payment protocol. Our protocol doesn't need to be upgraded to have quantum robustness; just changes to how wallets choose random blinding factors. After the Tachyon upgrade, our architecture won't even need to change for post-quantum soundness; some folding schemes will just need to be swapped out, and we have years to select the best one.
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